Reading parking signs.. (Pittsburgh, Monaca, Beaver: how much, neighborhood, purchasing)

[tranceFusion]

Ok, so I still don't get how to read these signs. Is there a definiteive guide somewhere?

Nothing written on the meter about the enforcement days, and the sign says Monday-Friday 4 hour parking. Yet I parked here on a Saturday, and get an expired meter ticket? Are the sign and the meter not linked? Cause the sign leads me to believe the 4 hour limit applied only to Mon-Fri, and the meter says there's a 4 hour limit, so it would make me think its only enforced mon-fri..




Also, what does it mean when the sign says "Permit Area _" on it.. That means the conditions on the sign apply unless you have a permit, right (not you aren't allowed to park there if you don't have a permit)?

Last but not least, do you have to pay to park if you go to the parking court to contest a ticket? Thanks.

[ditchdigger]

The sign means you aren't allowed to park for more than four hours Monday through Friday, whether you feed the meter or not. It's to keep people like store employees from taking up a parking space for the whole day, while customers can't find a space to park. Feeding the meter is a separate obligation. I agree, its confusing.

My understanding of the permit areas is that only residents are issued permits, to keep non-residents (be they customers, employees, or Park-N-Ride style commuters), from parking on congested neighborhood streets, but I'd have thought that the metered spaces would be physically different spaces than permitted ones. Is there a place with meters and permit parking signs posted at the same parking spot?

No, you don't have to pay for a parking space if you go to court to contest a ticket. But you'll get another ticket...

[lde]

Beautiful pic. Thanks.

[ditchdigger]

By the way, my Dad designed the street cleaning sign pictured when he was with the Public Works Department. That was in the late 60's or very early 70's. Back then, they swept the streets every week, April through Novemember. The sweeper pictured is an Austin Western model that dates back to the mid 50's. So, at least all you city taxpayers can't complain about them wasting your tax dollars on fancy design firms constantly updating their graphics, or keeping the streets too clean...

[lde]

Cool. He did a good job.

[Impala26]

Originally Posted by ditchdigger

By the way, my Dad designed the street cleaning sign pictured when he was with the Public Works Department. That was in the late 60's or very early 70's. Back then, they swept the streets every week, April through Novemember. The sweeper pictured is an Austin Western model that dates back to the mid 50's. So, at least all you city taxpayers can't complain about them wasting your tax dollars on fancy design firms constantly updating their graphics, or keeping the streets too clean...

That's actually quite awesome, it's a very iconic graphic in my opinion. I'm not sure but I think I've even seen it used in other nearby boroughs. Sometimes you find something that works and you stick with it, just like the "Bus Stop" signs. Of course I was told by Jon Robison of the Allegheny County Transit Council that apparently PAT wanted to change the colors of those to coincide with the different colored routes with the TDP to which ACTC basically responded, "hell no!".

[tranceFusion]

No, I haven't seen meters in a permit area. I was just confused about them too. So if its a permit area, you can still park there, you just have to follow the criteria on the sign, right? And permit holders are exempt from that?

As for the meters, where does it tell me when they are enforced? Are you just supposed to assume 24 hour enforcement if it doesn't say otherwise?

How much is the parking at the garage next to the court house? Is there street parking? I mean, does it make fighting a ticket basically pointless?

[groar]

the enforcement hours for on street meters in pgh are pretty typical; most cities and towns have the same days and times. there are quite a few lots that are patrolled 24 hours a day, but no on street spaces are.

http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/pgh...erenforcehours

Meter Enforcement Hours

On-street parking meters are patrolled Monday through Saturday, 8:00 a.m. – 6:00 p.m.
Parking Authority off-street lots are patrolled with specific hours posted such as 7:00 a.m. - 11:00 p.m.

[toosie]

Originally Posted by tranceFusion

Last but not least, do you have to pay to park if you go to the parking court to contest a ticket?

There's metered street parking nearby. My husband manages to get a ticket every time he goes to contest a parking ticket

Originally Posted by ditchdigger

By the way, my Dad designed the street cleaning sign pictured when he was with the Public Works Department. That was in the late 60's or very early 70's. Back then, they swept the streets every week, April through Novemember. The sweeper pictured is an Austin Western model that dates back to the mid 50's. So, at least all you city taxpayers can't complain about them wasting your tax dollars on fancy design firms constantly updating their graphics, or keeping the streets too clean...

So cool - thanks for sharing this with us!

Originally Posted by tranceFusion

So if its a permit area, you can still park there, you just have to follow the criteria on the sign, right? And permit holders are exempt from that?

Yes except that even permit holders will be ticketed if they park when it's a street sweeping day. Other than that, though, permit holders can park for 48 hours without moving their car, for example, whereas non-permit holders might get a ticket if they're there longer than whatever the sign says. Residents also have the option of purchasing one visitor pass so workmen or guests can prop it on their dashboard and not get ticketed.

[ditchdigger]

That's actually quite awesome, it's a very iconic graphic in my opinion. I'm not sure but I think I've even seen it used in other nearby boroughs.

I was really tickled to see the Pittsburgh Public Works guys are still putting them up, obviously brand new.

When Dad left the city, he went to Monaca, here in Beaver County. He changed the sweeper graphic to resemble the Elgin model that the boro owned, but kept the rest the same. Whether any other local towns use something similar, I don't know.

And thanks, all, for the compliments.