Best Neiborhood (Crafton, Ingram, Liberty: townhouse, neighborhoods, living in)

[Uptown kid]

These are the areas that I think fit the bill. Note after the *astrict* area areas that are debatably gritty.
Gritty: [East] Greenfield, the Gleenwood section of Hazelwood (west of 2nd Ave) Central Oakland, Strip District, Larwanceville (excluding 47th-McCandless Ave) Polish Hill, Morningside, several streets of Garfield (south of Broad/Dearborn Streets), most of East Liberty (south of East Libert Blvd excluding East Liberty Gardens projects & Penn Plaza),* southside of Staton Heights (south of Brintill St), southern part of Highland Park (mainly south of Welslley Ave), Bloomfield, Sharpsburg PA

Gritty: [North] Troy Hill, part of Observatory Hill (Watson Blvd to Waldrof St in Perry North), Brighton Heights (south of Davis Ave), Spring Hill-City View (excluding Three Rivers Manor), Fineview (excluding Allegheny Dwellings), * West Dutchtown (west of the highway), (Lower Manchester (south of Liverpool St St), Bellvue PA, Westview PA, Millvale PA & Enta PA

Gritty: [South] * Southside Flats, Southside Slopes, Bon Air, part Mt. Washington (south of Boggs & Bailey Ave) & Brentwood PA

Gritty: [West] Chartiers City (grittiest north of Chartiers Ave), Elliot, * Windgap, West End, Crafton Heights (excluding the Greenway Projects)

Gritty: [Mon Valley] all of the Mon Valley is safe yet gritty except: Homestead PA, a small part of West Homestead PA, MonView Heights & West Mifflen Estates projects of West Mifflen, most of Clairton PA, "Central McKeesport", Duquesne PA, the "Crestas Terrace" area & Cliffview Terrace/Parkledge Apartments in North Versailles PA, Rankin, Braddock, part of North Braddock, part of Swissvale, the Alpine Ave projects in East Pittsburgh, & Brinton Manor in Braddock Hills.

[Uptown kid]

[quote]"Probably safer than some of the border areas of Wilkinsburg, don't you think?..." [quote]

No not yet... The Kelly West area (gritty section west of the busway), & the iffy areas that border the "Central Wilkinsburg" sections: Hamnett Place, Upper Central, and Singer Place are still safer than East Liberty Gardens, East Liberty north of the Boulevard, and Penn Plaza IMO.

[gg]

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

No not yet... The Kelly West area (gritty section west of the busway), & the iffy areas that border the "Central Wilkinsburg" sections: Hamnett Place, Upper Central, and Singer Place are still safer than East Liberty Gardens, East Liberty north of the Boulevard, and Penn Plaza IMO.

It is a shame there is so much mixed income stuff in East Liberty. That will probably hurt growth, since governments get involved instead of letting true supply and demand to take control as it should be. Our tax dollars go to build all that subsidized housing and it just kills areas. People with means don't want to live next to that crap and believe me, we need some more people with means to move to the city to prop it up and offset that MASSIVE amounts of poverty in the city limits. We need balance.

Wilkinsburg isn't all that great, but there doesn't seem to be as many shootings as the Hill and Homewood, so maybe it is a step up? Not sure?

[Uptown kid]

Yea well Central Wilkinsburg is still an area where it pays not to wear certain clots at night but Wilkinsburg didn't have a bad year (it may have to do with a diminishing fued between the J-Town Hoods & Trill Side/Uptown sets of LAW)... Neither did Homewood (maybe because of the task force)!
To my knowledge the Hill had 11 homicides (excluding Uptown with 2)... To my knowledge Homewood had only 6 & Wilkinsburg had only 2.
I still put Central Wilkinsburg in that top category with: Homewood, the Hill, Northview Heights & Allegheny Dwellings, Duquesne PA, the East Hills, Larimer, Central McKeesport, Beltzhoover/Knoxville/Mt. Oliver PA.

[gg]

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

Yea well Central Wilkinsburg is still an area where it pays not to wear certain clots at night but Wilkinsburg didn't have a bad year (it may have to do with a diminishing fued between the J-Town Hoods & Trill Side/Uptown sets of LAW)... Neither did Homewood (maybe because of the task force)!
To my knowledge the Hill had 11 homicides (excluding Uptown with 2)... To my knowledge Homewood had only 6 & Wilkinsburg had only 2.
I still put Central Wilkinsburg in that top category with: Homewood, the Hill, Northview Heights & Allegheny Dwellings, Duquesne PA, the East Hills, Larimer, Central McKeesport, Beltzhoover/Knoxville/Mt. Oliver PA.

I think the downtown part of Wilkinsburg is pretty cool. It looks better now than it has in the past 40 years.

[subdivisions]

You won't be able to find anything in any of the nicer East End neighborhoods for that price. It would have been possible 5 years ago, but not anymore. Even Bloomfield & Morningside are beyond that now.

Have you thought of North Point Breeze? It's where I've been living for the past 5 years, and I've had no problems with crime or bad neighbors at all (in fact, the vast majority of my neighbors have been very nice and oriented towards improving their properties). I personally think it has an undeservedly rough reputation. Although prices have been climbing here also, I think it's still possible to get something interesting for under $100K, especially if you are willing to take a fixer-upper.

[gg]

No, you can buy in Morningside and that might be a good idea. There are always a few homes that go for under $90k there, but they need a bit of work.

[I_Like_Spam]

Spring Hill, Troy Hill and the Spring Garden Valley in between them are a little bit gritty, but certainly are pretty much undiscovered and real close across the 16th St. Bridge from the Cultural District.

You could do pretty well with a $100k budget over there.

[gg]

Morningside isn't "gritty". Good suggestion.

[Rodeno]

Your best bet to stay in that area would probably be Bloomfield.