Moving from Detoilet to Pittsburgh.....your thoughts? (Erie, Monongahela: neighborhoods, bankruptcy)

[markson33]

There are good and bad places everywhere, but Detroit is one of the most depressed cities I've ever been to. IMHO it is far worse than Pittsburgh. Now, in fairness, some of the suburbs are nicer and more opulent than anything in western PA. That doesn't make up for the decay of the inner core.

[Tor_Nado]

Now Pittsburgh does have its share of slums and gang violence. It's low cost of living is deceiving, in safe, nice neighborhoods you may have to pay over $1,200 for a 1br apartment

[steindle]

Originally Posted by pghdude28

Yes both Detoliet and ****sburgh are crime ridden.

Conflating the crime rates of Detroit and Pittsburgh is absurd.

In 2011, Pittsburgh's violent crime rate (in total) was 802.3 / 100,000 people. Detroit's was 2,137.4 -- almost three times higher. Careful: Pittsburgh is ALMOST as dangerous as Anchorage, Alaska!

Detroit's property crime rate was 6,143.5, compared to Pittsburgh's 3,260.8. Cities including terrifying Portland, Oregon (5,088.6) and famously dangerous Albuquerque, New Mexico (5,068.5) were substantially higher.

Don't let facts interrupt your skies falling, though.

[steindle]

Originally Posted by Tor_Nado

Now Pittsburgh does have its share of slums and gang violence. It's low cost of living is deceiving, in safe, nice neighborhoods you may have to pay over $1,200 for a 1br apartment

You "may" do anything, if you choose to. 1BR rent in Squirrel Hill or Shadyside falls at about $700-750, and more like $500-600/person if you're willing to live with a roommate. In a place like Dormont or Brookline, you're talking more $500-550 for a 1BR.

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by Tor_Nado

Now Pittsburgh does have its share of slums and gang violence. It's low cost of living is deceiving, in safe, nice neighborhoods you may have to pay over $1,200 for a 1br apartment

Nonsense. You could pay half that and still be in a nice and safe neighborhood.

[Copanut]

Originally Posted by Tor_Nado

Now Pittsburgh does have its share of slums and gang violence. It's low cost of living is deceiving, in safe, nice neighborhoods you may have to pay over $1,200 for a 1br apartment

BS You can find a 1 br in a safe area for 600.

[gortonator]

Originally Posted by steindle

Conflating the crime rates of Detroit and Pittsburgh is absurd.

In 2011, Pittsburgh's violent crime rate (in total) was 802.3 / 100,000 people. Detroit's was 2,137.4 -- almost three times higher. Careful: Pittsburgh is ALMOST as dangerous as Anchorage, Alaska!

Detroit's property crime rate was 6,143.5, compared to Pittsburgh's 3,260.8. Cities including terrifying Portland, Oregon (5,088.6) and famously dangerous Albuquerque, New Mexico (5,068.5) were substantially higher.

Don't let facts interrupt your skies falling, though.

And you can virtually guarantee pghdude28 has never been to Detroit. And he rarely let's facts get in the way of his constant negativity.

I've unfortunately only been to Detroit airport, and typically end up running about what seems 1 mile between gates on a short connection, so my visits have been fast! A colleague of mine was there last week though and said there are signs of downtown gentrification, so that's promising. Long way to go, I'm sure. I'd love to visit.

[Uptown kid]

Out of 90 official neighborhoods only 23 are mostly undesirable due to serious drug/gang activity. Some such as Fairywood, Arlington, and Arlington Heights aren't that bad.
• Homewood S
• Homewood N
• Homewood W
• Middle Hill
• Bedford Dwellings
• 45% of West Oakland
• 90% of Garfield
• Larimer
• 90% of Lincoln-Lemington
• 60% of of East Hills
• The Glen Hazel Heights Projects
• 80% of Hazelwood
• The Northview Heights Estates Projects
• 85% of Perry Hilltop
• California-Kirkbride
80% of Marshall-Shadeland
• Beltzhoover
• Knoxville
• 90% of Allentown
• 90% Arlington
• The Arlington Heights Projects
• 50% of Fairywood: to a lesser degree
• 45% of Sheraden

Then there are debatably 12 bad parts to safe neighborhoods to account for:
• East Liberty Gardens/Enright Court Townhomes/part of Northern East Liberty
• Bentley Drive, Terrace Village/low-income section of the Oakhill Apartments, Terrace Village
• Parts of the Lower Hill
• Fraizer Street Park area of South Oakland: to a lesser degree
• Allegheny Dwellings Projects, Fineview
• Three Rivers Manor Apartments, Spring Hill
• Upper Manchester
• Allegheny Commons Apartments, Allegheny Center
• Hoodtown, Central Northside: to a lesser degree
• Most of Northern Carrick
• Mountain-View Apartments, Crafton Heights
• Part of Elliott: to a lesser degree

Together that's 39 (less than 45%) of the city's neighborhoods, most of which are not all bad. Plus another half wouldn't be considered bad for Detroit's standards.
Shoot, even our worst areas (Homewood, the hardcore part of the Hill District, Central Wilkinsburg, & Allegheny County's roughest housing projects/section 8 complexes) would be slightly below average- in terms of violence, crime & gang activity for Eastside/Westside of Detroit ghettos.
For example, Pittsburgh's most dangerous gangs are only known to the police & the county's at risk youth population. On the other hand, Detroit's most notorious gangs are featured on the History Channel's Gangland, and even in some of the Discover Channel's/Nat Geo's urban specials. Furthermore, Pittsburgh's most notorious 90's gangsters are known locally with in specific neighborhoods/sides of town; while some of Detroit's "original gangsters," are known nation-wide. And not even every true Pittsburgher knows about St. Clair Village, "Rob'it'son Court," and Formosa Way, but almost every young American knows about the Eastside of Detroit's 8-Mile Run...

Even with the all the undesireable yinzer ghettos/former mill towns, black ghettos, mixed raced/semi ghettos, and slowly gentrifing neighborhoods in the: Mon Valley/Southeastern river towns, Lower Allegheny Valley, Southern Hilltop, East End/Zone 5 Ghettos, Hazelwood area, Hill District, Northside and West End/Ohio River's declining towns, the Pittsburgh Area does not compare to the Detroit Area- with all of its four decade old, crime/drug ridden, left for dead areas that are severly unsafe during the day, located on all sides of the city.

[gortonator]

Originally Posted by Uptown kid

Together that's 39 (less than 45%) of the city's neighborhoods, most of which are not all bad. Plus another half wouldn't be considered bad for Detroit's standards.
Shoot, even our worst areas (Homewood, the hardcore part of the Hill District, Central Wilkinsburg, & Allegheny County's roughest housing projects/section 8 complexes) would be slightly below average- in terms of violence, crime & gang activity for Eastside/Westside of Detroit ghettos.
For example, Pittsburgh's most dangerous gangs are only known to the police & the county's at risk youth population. On the other hand, Detroit's most notorious gangs are featured on the History Channel's Gangland, and even in some of the Discover Channel's/Nat Geo's urban specials. Furthermore, Pittsburgh's most notorious 90's gangsters are known locally with in specific neighborhoods/sides of town; while some of Detroit's "original gangsters," are known nation-wide. And not even every true Pittsburgher knows about St. Clair Village, "Rob'it'son Court," and Formosa Way, but almost every young American knows about the Eastside of Detroit's 8-Mile Run...

(I'll get in before pghdude28 and zman .....)

See - another data point on how substandard and decrepit Pittsburgh is. The gangs aren't even as good as Detroit. If we can't grow and maintain decent gangstas in this city, what future is there? And Detroit is much flatter. I'm moving ...

[EveKendall]

Originally Posted by gortonator

(I'll get in before pghdude28 and zman .....)

See - another data point on how substandard and decrepit Pittsburgh is. The gangs aren't even as good as Detroit. If we can't grow and maintain decent gangstas in this city, what future is there? And Detroit is much flatter. I'm moving ...

Don't forget the fact that there is NEVER any sunshine in Pittsburgh--it is gray and gloomy year-round.