Pittsburgh driving (Braddock, Liberty, Oakland: to rent, how much, homes)

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

Well, assemble 7 sources from cities that aren't from the Northeast or LA to support your claim. "Looking into the mirror" makes zero sense in this case because I have no control over other drivers on the road.

If only we could brush all the other problems in the world off as "it must be your fault" and "if you don't like it get out".



One of the 7 sources I cited is a top 10 city list.

I'll let you assemble them. It can also be a stones and glass house situation.

You're right. You have no control. So one needs to decide whether do adapt or not drive.

[Aqua Teen Carl]

Originally Posted by erieguy

I'll let you assemble them. Perhaps you're one that needs to look in the mirror. Glass houses if you will.

What you are typing makes zero sense in this context. But hey, ignore posters using actual evidence to support their claim by making vague statements because you have no ground to stand on.

[gortonator]

Originally Posted by gortonator

If accident rates are a proxy for driving quality, Pittsburgh ranks #22 worst according to New Report Ranks Pittsburgh Drivers Among Worst In Nation « CBS Pittsburgh. There's probably some normalization that needs to be done for size of city, but given Pittsburgh's roads are trickier than many/most places due to topography/layout, maybe it's not so far off?

Wonder what drivers get up to in the top 21 cities?

from earlier in the thread ... seems a reasonable assessment to me, but was ignored by the hyperbolistas for some reason?

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

What you are typing makes zero sense in this context. But hey, ignore posters using actual evidence to support their claim by making vague statements because you have no ground to stand on.

Actual posters make lists supporting both sides of the fence. While one is complaining about one they are also writing about another. Its just media talk.

[fleetiebelle]

Originally Posted by erieguy

I am very interested in knowing what can actively be done to change driver's habits, though.

It probably makes me sound like a narc, but I'd like to see more active enforcement. If drivers actually got pulled over and ticketed for running red lights/stop signs, speeding through residential neighborhoods, not stopping for pedestrians in crosswalks, etc. (or if they saw other drivers getting pulled over for same,) they may be warier of doing it again.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by fleetiebelle

It probably makes me sound like a narc, but I'd like to see more active enforcement. If drivers actually got pulled over and ticketed for running red lights/stop signs, speeding through residential neighborhoods, not stopping for pedestrians in crosswalks, etc. (or if they saw other drivers getting pulled over for same,) they may be warier of doing it again.

Couldn't agree more. Its not like the city couldn't use the money from enforcing broken laws...but the police cannot be everywhere. For them to be everywhere would cost money that people don't want to pay for...and then when those complaining get ticketed it all cycles around to other people doing it too. If the "Pittsburgh Left" caused as many problems as those are complaining about, there would certainly be something done about it.

[youngabe]

I've always thought that driving here sucked. Granted, I've always lived here. And yes, granted when I visit a place, I'm only getting a "taste" of "how it is" there, but...I've noticed that I am MUCH more at ease when I'm driving in an area that has numerous lanes to pick from. As much as I dislike places like Raleigh, NC...driving there is a breeze. It also appears that drivers there aren't as aggressive--because they don't have to be. There's enough lanes for everyone to drive how they want to drive. Here, if you get behind ONE idiot on 376 who has the attitude of, "I'm going 60, I don't need to move out of the left lane." ... That creates an entire line of tail-hugging, blood thirsty people who are pissed because Idiot A won't move over. So we're all on one another's bumper just WAITING for the opportunity to fly around Idiot A. I know that more lanes doesn't equal less congestion...but, in my experience, it definitely eases my personal gripes. I do prefer to drive in bigger cities, personally. Toronto is a favorite, honestly. Sure, there's congestion, but it moves, and I feel like I can mind my own business more than I can here.

[ForYourLungsOnly]

Originally Posted by youngabe

I do prefer to drive in bigger cities, personally. Toronto is a favorite, honestly. Sure, there's congestion, but it moves, and I feel like I can mind my own business more than I can here.

I feel the same. Driving in Chicago, there are cars honking at each other all the time when you're in the inner city, but half the time it isn't even an angry honk. I swear people honk here to get people's attention, let people know they are pulling into an intersection, get people who are hailing cabs attention, etc. If someone LAYS on their horn, thats a different story. It does seem that you can mind your own business when driving in a big city though, and you just go with the flow of traffic. Once you're in the outer neighborhoods though, it's more intimate but pretty easy. I don't know if it is the people or the road layouts in Pittsburgh that make driving there annoying sometimes. I will say that driving in Pittsburgh is much better than driving in Boston in my experience.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by youngabe

I've always thought that driving here sucked. Granted, I've always lived here. And yes, granted when I visit a place, I'm only getting a "taste" of "how it is" there, but...I've noticed that I am MUCH more at ease when I'm driving in an area that has numerous lanes to pick from. As much as I dislike places like Raleigh, NC...driving there is a breeze. It also appears that drivers there aren't as aggressive--because they don't have to be. There's enough lanes for everyone to drive how they want to drive. Here, if you get behind ONE idiot on 376 who has the attitude of, "I'm going 60, I don't need to move out of the left lane." ... That creates an entire line of tail-hugging, blood thirsty people who are pissed because Idiot A won't move over. So we're all on one another's bumper just WAITING for the opportunity to fly around Idiot A. I know that more lanes doesn't equal less congestion...but, in my experience, it definitely eases my personal gripes. I do prefer to drive in bigger cities, personally. Toronto is a favorite, honestly. Sure, there's congestion, but it moves, and I feel like I can mind my own business more than I can here.

It would certainly help if people moved over from the left lane/s.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

I was in Colorado a few months ago and the driving there was a dozen times more pleasant than it is in Pittsburgh. I wasn't stressed out whatsoever driving there as opposed to how I dread getting on the road at rush hour here.

Thanks for saying that! Some areas can be a real bear! We do have the advantage of flatter terrain (in the city).

Originally Posted by gortonator

the hyberbole is being cranked up to 11 now ...

try Denver/I70 on a Saturday morning in winter on a powder day. In fact any Saturday morning in winter. And Saturday evening. And Sunday morning. And Sunday evening ... visiting a place and getting a brief window into the driving experience is very different to living somewhere and experiencing it every day. I totally defer to Katiana on CO driving of course.

I had someone point a gun at me as they passed on a mostly deserted highway near Boise, ID a couple of years back ... I have no idea why as I just passed them at the speed limit. It doesn't make me think every driver in Idaho is a gun-slinging idiot. Er, but maybe ...

Sundays are the worst on I-70 into/back from the mountains. My daughter and her DH prefer to go on Saturdays.