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Old 08-02-2015, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Hereford Manor Lake is no more.

It is sad to see the hills flattened in order to build ugly shopping centers.
Hereford Manor lakes were awesome and are certainly missed by many of us. The dam needed work and there was supposedly no $2-3m to fix it. Call the state if you have a problem on that dealio.
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Old 08-02-2015, 06:20 PM
 
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So the area is basically being returned to it's more natural state it was before humans constructed a big, concrete dam?
How many times was fracking mentioned in the article?
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:09 PM
 
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It's not just a matter of buying the land. The land where this dam was located was owned by the state. The problem with mining and fracking is that it impacts the surrounding properties. Soil shifting and mini earth quakes are a major concern. It is a question of lax regulation and allowing the energy companies to get away with slaps on the wrist. I think a company that destroys a state park and inhibits the use and enjoyment for future generations should be subject to major jail time, not making restitution by putting in some walking paths and a chlorinated pool.
May I ask you what experience or education you may have that would provide you with moral authority to blame fracture treatment for oil and gas for the loss of a dam due, according to the article you cited, only to long-wall mining?

Are you a geologist or a lawyer or an engineer trained in oil and gas exploration and productions issues? Do you have years of experience on a fracture treating crew, or on an oil/gas drilling rig?

Do you have the slightest inkling as to how careful coal companies or oil & gas companies are NOT to conduct operations on lands where they don't have a legal right, either ownership or leasehold right to operate?

What make you so certain that "fracking" is part of the cause for this dam's failure, when even the article you cite makes no mention of it?

To be fair let me provide my bona fides. I am trained as a Petroleum Engineer. For the last 32 years I have served as a Federal oil & gas regulator on Indian lands in Oklahoma Prior to that I worked in the public sector, and since about 1978 I have designed, conducted witnessed and/or permitted over 8500 fracture treatments.

As far as long-wall mining goes I have just layman's knowledge of the process and its risks and rewards.
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:15 PM
 
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How many times was fracking mentioned in the article?
I'm not sure why you are asking me, but I'll play along. How many?
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Etna, PA
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What does Cranberry have to do whatsoever with the topic at hand (Ryerson Station State Park), when they're on completely opposite sides of the metro region??
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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What does Cranberry have to do whatsoever with the topic at hand (Ryerson Station State Park), when they're on completely opposite sides of the metro region??
Zilch, zero, nada, etc..., unless you count disdain for da burbs.
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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What does Cranberry have to do whatsoever with the topic at hand (Ryerson Station State Park), when they're on completely opposite sides of the metro region??
Not only that, but Cranberry is mostly offices, retail and residential. Nothing much in mining or extraction industries.
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:38 PM
 
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I'm not sure why you are asking me, but I'll play along. How many?
Not one, why pick this article to make a point about the dangers of tracking?
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:44 PM
 
Location: About 10 miles north of Pittsburgh International
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How many times was fracking mentioned in the article?

When you want to get all excited about such things, "Fracking" is much more of a buzzword than "long-wall mining." Mine subsidence is soo 20th Century...

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Visitation to the park has plummeted by over 75%.

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Attendance has dropped by one-fourth from its pre-2005 annual figure of
265,000, park officials previously said.
(emphasis mine.)

Well, math was never my strong suit, but I'm having trouble reconciling those two statements...
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Old 08-02-2015, 07:56 PM
 
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Not one, why pick this article to make a point about the dangers of tracking?
I didn't.
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