Mayor Peduto Wants The Syrian Refugees To Come To Pittsburgh (camps, moving)

[Merge]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

Czolgosz wasn't an Italian, of course. He was still an anarchist.

There are plenty of home-grown anarchists and extremist libertarians that are part of the NRA-sponsored army providing just as much threat to the president and proper functioning of society. Shutting the borders against every immigrant group is not going to protect this society from terrorism and violence.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by Merge

There are plenty of home-grown anarchists and extremist libertarians that are part of the NRA-sponsored army providing just as much threat to the president and proper functioning of society. Shutting the borders against every immigrant group is not going to protect this society from terrorism and violence.

So the NRA is analogous to ISIS???

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

So the NRA is analogous to ISIS???

Assuming he believes so, it really undermines his argument of possibly allowing in fanatical individuals that he views as being as bad as the NRA

[Merge]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

So the NRA is analogous to ISIS???

No. But individual members within its ranks are "analogous" to terrorists.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

So a few bombings and an assassination of a President today would be a perfectly fine price to pay in your mind to be able to fully-integrate a new influx of Syrians into American society?

Let's turn it around. If we could turn back time, block the Italian immigrants from coming, and block the events measured from happening, would the trade off (not having millions of integrated Italian-Americans today who contribute a great deal to our society) be worth it?

I honestly understand the arguments that there's better ways to handle the refugee issue than house them in the U.S. I disagree, but I understand. I do not understand the need of some of the posters of "certainty" to not be killed by terrorism, considering that even if another September 11th happened, and 2,000 people died, your risk of dying in a given year from terrorism would be something like 0.0006%. You can reduce your own personal risk of dying a lot more by doing any number of things, like exercising, eating a healthy diet, driving less, or quitting smoking.

[erieguy]

I hope all those in favor here provide them with a place to stay and help them acquire good paying jobs.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Let's turn it around. If we could turn back time, block the Italian immigrants from coming, and block the events measured from happening, would the trade off (not having millions of integrated Italian-Americans today who contribute a great deal to our society) be worth it? .

I'll actually agree with this, the difference however is that we weren't bringing in Italians (eastern europeanx & others) for any altruistic reasons but because we needed people to man the mills, mines & factories as there was a labor shortage here . Secondly, those countries did not have individuals who were in a de facto war with the U.S., nor was there any credible threat that said immigrants were coming for the sole purpose of killing westerners.

[BigPizzaHutFan]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

So a few bombings and an assassination of a President today would be a perfectly fine price to pay in your mind to be able to fully-integrate a new influx of Syrians into American society?

The alternative of completely closing our borders to immigration and huddling in fear is unrealistic and untenable. Ask Japan about their birth rate and how that's worked out with no immigration.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by BigPizzaHutFan

The alternative of completely closing our borders to immigration and huddling in fear is unrealistic and untenable. Ask Japan about their birth rate and how that's worked out with no immigration.

Luckily no one is advocating any such a ludicrous position here.

[norcider]

Originally Posted by UKyank

Luckily no one is advocating any such a ludicrous position here.

Actually the far right wing Christian groups have been advocating this for a while now. I believe Donald Chump said he'd do it on the first day if he were elected.