Mayor Peduto Wants The Syrian Refugees To Come To Pittsburgh (Duquesne: homes, movies)

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by fat lou

All right, I read the article. I looked for the quote where a member of ISIS says that their goal is to keep us from accepting refugees. It isn't there. This author is just stating his own opinion, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense: "ISIS are terrorizing people in Syria, to make them try to flee to the West, in order to make people from the West turn them away, which will make them hate the west." Oh really? Man, that's some James Bond villain level scheme there.

ISIS's literal goal is to cause the Muslim apocalypse to happen, which they think requires them to fight a Christian army on the ground in Syria. Thus anything they can do to either goad western powers into direct military intervention, or to up western distrust of Muslims (which will further aid in recruitment for them) is a win.

I don't think they specifically want western powers to not accept immigrants though. Arguably the current situation for them is a "heads I win, tails you lose" scenario. But to the degree that the western powers react, particularly with crackdowns which are seen as anti-Muslim, it's all gravy for them.

[BigPizzaHutFan]

Originally Posted by ny789987

Even if there is only 1 terrorist for every 10,000 refugees that is too much. The security of Americans should be the #1 concern.

"Those who give up liberty for security deserve neither." - Jerry Seinfeld, Rocky IV

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by ny789987

Even if there is only 1 terrorist for every 10,000 refugees that is too much. The security of Americans should be the #1 concern.

I'm not even sure what the means. As I noted, even if there was another September 11th, the chance of any one person dying due to a terrorist action would be 0.0006%. There's dozens of ways we could improve our national security which would have a more tangible effect. I mean, 130,000 people die annually due to accidents, including 38,000 in motor vehicle accidents. 16,000 die due to homicide. 46,000 die due to drug-related deaths. It seems like we'd get our money's worth in terms of national security far more by trying to deal with some of those casualties.

[fat lou]

Originally Posted by eschaton

See here. The literal dictionary definition of Terrorism is...



The U.S. defines terrorism as...



Another definition for international terrorism in U.S. law is...



If there is no political objective, it's not terrorism, it's merely senseless mayhem. Terrorist activities have the intent to cause fear and/or change government policy. Their success is thus measured by this metric, not the body count.

But what proof do you have that they want to make us stop accepting refugees? They're religious kooks. The only thing that they want to change about us would be for us to become like them. So yes, if we all took up radical Islam, the terrorists would win. But since that isn't going to happen, the only way that they can win is if they're successful in pulling off their attacks.
Here, here's the statement from ISIS taking credit for the attack. It has jack-all to do with accepting refugees:
Here is ISIS's statement claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks - Vox

[BigPizzaHutFan]

Originally Posted by fat lou

But what proof do you have that they want to make us stop accepting refugees? They're religious kooks. The only thing that they want to change about us would be for us to become like them. So yes, if we all took up radical Islam, the terrorists would win. But since that isn't going to happen, the only way that they can win is if they're successful in pulling off their attacks.
Here, here's the statement from ISIS taking credit for the attack. It has jack-all to do with accepting refugees:
Here is ISIS's statement claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks - Vox

You missed two posts above yours that answered every question you have in detail.

(also they have absolutely no interest in us "becoming like them," no idea where you read that.)

[sealie]

Where in Pittsburgh would even be a target? We're small, we're boring, you can't terrorize the nation by taking out the Duquesne incline. More likely a sleeper cell would just plot an attack some 250 miles southeast of here. They like dramatic tv. There's nothing here that fits the bill except maybe Heinz Field on game day. Maybe. Probably not.

[norcider]

Originally Posted by fat lou

But what proof do you have that they want to make us stop accepting refugees? They're religious kooks. The only thing that they want to change about us would be for us to become like them. So yes, if we all took up radical Islam, the terrorists would win. But since that isn't going to happen, the only way that they can win is if they're successful in pulling off their attacks.
Here, here's the statement from ISIS taking credit for the attack. It has jack-all to do with accepting refugees:
Here is ISIS's statement claiming responsibility for the Paris attacks - Vox

Here's some dude who's way smarter than any of us on the matter making the comment about Syrian immigrants:

“Anti-Muslim and anti-refugee sentiment really play into ISIS’ hands. The more that happens, the more French Muslims feel alienated and are susceptible to extremist recruitment.”

From here: Amnesty International: Don't use Paris to fuel anti-refugee agenda - HR News

and his credentials:

Shadi Hamid | Brookings Institution

good enough for you that this COULD be one of ISIS' goals? Or do you just want to put your head in the sand some more?

[PghYinzer]

"They (ISIS) actually want to see an increase in Islamophobia and anti-Muslim hate crime so that that will increase their recruitment pool," Arsalan Iftikhar, senior editor of the Islamic Monthly, said on CNN Monday. "So that's why it's even more important for our western nations to embrace their Muslim communities and diasporas."

How religion is roiling the GOP race - CNNPolitics.com

[fat lou]

Originally Posted by BigPizzaHutFan

I said that the point of terrorism is coercion through fear and that the body count is irrelevant; I said nothing about the point of terrorism to be "to keep America from taking in Syrian refugees" (although the point of some of ISIS's terrorist activities is to displace those "undesirables" from Syria). You are bad at this.

Huh? The article in question states that if we refuse to take in refugees, we're doing what the terrorists want us to do. Several other people in this thread made the same claim. I'm saying that they don't have any proof for that, it's just their own assertion. Which it is.

[norcider]

Originally Posted by fat lou

Huh? The article in question states that if we refuse to take in refugees, we're doing what the terrorists want us to do. Several other people in this thread made the same claim. I'm saying that they don't have any proof for that, it's just their own assertion. Which it is.

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