James St Gastropub to close (Pittsburgh, Progress: closing, living, restaurant)

[svband76]

Originally Posted by AaronPGH

They got the final noise complaint during a freaking jazz show featuring an actual icon – Roger Humphries. I'm so tired of these anonymous complaints. If you are going to ruin a cultural institution for a neighborhood as well as artists and staff livelihoods, step out in public in front of your accusations and explain why.

This is a cultural travesty.

Wow. Humphries is like in his mid 70s? Yes, divulge the name please. Jazz in the basement of the establishment would generate THAT much noise? Jeez Louise.

[Rust Belt Kid]

Yet another example of a single NIMBY holding back North Side progress.

[UKyank]

Originally Posted by Rust Belt Kid

Yet another example of a single NIMBY holding back North Side progress.

I dunno; looking at the place it’s surrounded on all sides by residential & I can confirm that the place was very loud at times; just seems like a bad location for a loud live music venue

[szug-bot]

Was it really THAT much of a problem? I've been there to see hard rock bands and by the time I got to the street level for a blast of cool air, I could not hear what was coming from the downstairs space. Could the sound have carried through to adjacent basements?

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by Rust Belt Kid

Yet another example of a single NIMBY holding back North Side progress.

Wouldn't letting a nuisance bar continue to operate be holding back progress as well? it seems like one of the owners of the new flipped houses would be more likely to complain.

[bluecarebear]

Originally Posted by Paul2421

Wouldn't letting a nuisance bar continue to operate be holding back progress as well? it seems like one of the owners of the new flipped houses would be more likely to complain.

Nobody would care about noise if the bar was another yuppie chain store brewery.

[RogersParkTransplant]

Originally Posted by Paul2421

Wouldn't letting a nuisance bar continue to operate be holding back progress as well? it seems like one of the owners of the new flipped houses would be more likely to complain.

I don't know. My sense is that the people coming into the neighborhood aren't as grumpy about noise abd activity as the people who have been here for a while -- but in the end it sounds like it was mostly one specific jerk, and really anyone can be a jerk without falling into any given pattern.

There aren't any yuppie chains in this area, unless you count the North shore, and as we have pointed out a million times the North Shore isn't really part of the neighborhood because it's on the other side of the highways and has hardly any residential spaces. It's close enough that people who like it can get there quickly, but it's not built into the neighborhood. The businesses in Deutschtown are overwhelmingly small and local, aside from Rita's and Subway.

[eschaton]

IIRC didn't the Shadow Lounge close due to one specific jerk complaining about noise as well?

[Rust Belt Kid]

Originally Posted by Paul2421

Wouldn't letting a nuisance bar continue to operate be holding back progress as well? it seems like one of the owners of the new flipped houses would be more likely to complain.

To me it's pretty clear it has nothing to do with noise. If this person was legitimately interested in keeping down noise in the neighborhood they could have been a little more constructive with how they approached this, particularly since the business made solid efforts to solve the problem. Seems to me like they just lodged anonymous complaints because they have it out against the business one way or the other (parking, personal grudge with owner, congregations of groups of people, etc). It's just frustrating to see that attitude in an area that really benefited from James Street Gastropub being there.

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by Rust Belt Kid

To me it's pretty clear it has nothing to do with noise. If this person was legitimately interested in keeping down noise in the neighborhood they could have been a little more constructive with how they approached this, particularly since the business made solid efforts to solve the problem. Seems to me like they just lodged anonymous complaints because they have it out against the business one way or the other (parking, personal grudge with owner, congregations of groups of people, etc). It's just frustrating to see that attitude in an area that really benefited from James Street Gastropub being there.

just seems like

when a bar people on here like closes = NIMBYS!

when a bar people on here don't like closes = PROGRESS!