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Old 05-10-2008, 05:46 PM
 
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I am not an economist and I don't need a study to show me what I see with my own eyes. Creative/bohemian cities such as Austin and Seattle seem to explode when the word gets out that they are where all the artsy stuff is taking place. Heck, Austin's "motto" is keep Austin weird". Just look at all the warehouse districts that are popping up in major cities where people can live in "studios" and lofts. I have never heard someone say, "I wanna move to blah blah blah it is so businessy" but you can bet your sweet bottom people are dying to move to the artsy area of town. I just think that Humaniod is a business minded person without a clue or an inclination about creativity and so he will never understand the draw it has for so many people. I am ready to get bombarded, Humanoid, by one of your eloquent posts that use some big words and statistics but the truth is that once a place is considered cool and artsy it gets taken over by the nouveau riche and becomes the new "Hip" place to be. Then the property values rise and the folks form California come in and make it a pretentious mess. I, personally, watched this happen in Austin and I know it has happened in the Pacific Northwest and other places.
You know, I hate to even go here....... but I'm going to anyway, I think a few people will agree. But on this whole "artsy" debate. You know, us gay guys, who are often considered the epitome of style, art, and creativity (stereotype, I know!), often have some of the most unique and thriving pockets in major cities. I'm only using this as one more example on how such things are not only good for cities, but crucial.

There have been major studies that have showed that gay guys come in and make stuff "cool" and "hip" and property value increases. It's even happened in Pittsburgh. Capitol Hill in Seattle is one example, but I could name MANY MANY more.

Where there is creativity and style, wealth and value will follow. I believe that's a fact. Three cities for example that have enormous gay populations and have exactly that type of "artsy" and "make old new again" feels that have been really wonderful for the cities, include Boston, Seattle, and San Francisco.

Coincidence? I think not. (that was a joke).
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Old 05-10-2008, 06:05 PM
 
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What you are saying is so true. The "bohemian" area of towns that becomes so desirable is usually "settled" by artists and gay men. Artists tend to either be gay or likewise as open minded and people are drawn to that freshness and Joie De Vive. Not to mention they both make thier houses and neighborhoods look really good!! LOL.

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You know, I hate to even go here....... but I'm going to anyway, I think a few people will agree. But on this whole "artsy" debate. You know, us gay guys, who are often considered the epitome of style, art, and creativity (stereotype, I know!), often have some of the most unique and thriving pockets in major cities. I'm only using this as one more example on how such things are not only good for cities, but crucial.

There have been major studies that have showed that gay guys come in and make stuff "cool" and "hip" and property value increases. It's even happened in Pittsburgh. Capitol Hill in Seattle is one example, but I could name MANY MANY more.

Where there is creativity and style, wealth and value will follow. I believe that's a fact. Three cities for example that have enormous gay populations and have exactly that type of "artsy" and "make old new again" feels that have been really wonderful for the cities, include Boston, Seattle, and San Francisco.

Coincidence? I think not. (that was a joke).
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Old 05-10-2008, 06:10 PM
 
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Oh and don't forget New Orleans. What life this place had (and hopefully will revive) was due to the creative types drawn to its history and culture. That is one reason I(and so many) are drawn to Pittsburgh. Its tangible past, tied in with its hard times and its renewal will draw people, I believe, regardless of its economical troubles. Look at all the people fighting to keep this cesspool of corruption and poverty alive (and its in a subsea-level bowl). The reason is: It has life and that life pulls people like moths to a flame(no pun intended guylocke:P)!
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Old 05-10-2008, 06:15 PM
 
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LOL. Great example with New Orleans, btw.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:41 PM
 
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They have indeed found a correlation between openly gay people and economic development. In fact, Florida found a correlation specifically between a "gay index" and high tech success. All that was one of the major results leading to the insight that members of the creative class broadly defined valued tolerance and diversity.
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Old 05-10-2008, 07:55 PM
 
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Yeah I lived in St. Petersburg Florida all of summer 2007 and apparently at one time the mayor declared he was anti-gay (for whatever reason) and there was such a huge backlash and outcry (cause it was the gay population that completely turned entire regions of St. Petersburg around) that now not only does he support the gays but he marches in the parade every year.

Hahahahaha.
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Old 05-10-2008, 08:56 PM
 
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LMAO...politicians.
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Old 05-11-2008, 06:20 AM
 
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Florida found a correlation specifically between a "gay index" and high tech success.
Honestly, I think you're smart enough to know the difference between correlation and causation. I suppose that doesn't stop you from.....making ridiculous implications.

Regardless, all that is being mentioned are correlations. Its unfortunate the difference between causation/correlation is ignored. Its likewise unfortunate that people make such silly generations about homosexuals.
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Old 05-11-2008, 06:28 PM
 
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Honestly, I think you're smart enough to know the difference between correlation and causation. I suppose that doesn't stop you from.....making ridiculous implications.

Regardless, all that is being mentioned are correlations. Its unfortunate the difference between causation/correlation is ignored. Its likewise unfortunate that people make such silly generations about homosexuals.
The theory is that members of the creative class value tolerant and diverse communities, and so do gay people. So in fact the theory recognizes that this is more a common cause situation than a cause and effect situation.
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Old 05-11-2008, 06:31 PM
 
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yeah, I hate when I make silly generations about gay people.
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