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[erieguy]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

See that’s the thing. None of these people that defend the 2nd amendment want to think about the phrase “well regulated”. They either ignore it, or stumble over themselves trying to avoid defining it, because they know that deep down the framers wanted exactly that: for this “militia” to be well regulated. And god forbid any regulations impede on our ability to buy and own whatever kind or quantity of guns we want.

Nah, it is well regulated. You obviously want more.

Like owning semi-automatic weapons? Gasp. When was the last time an assault weapon was used in a shooting/mass shooting?

[h_curtis]

The obvious question they can’t answer is , “what would be different today if the 2nd amendment didn’t contain the clause “well regulated”? How would that materially effect the state of gun ownership and use ? The answer is it wouldn’t be different, because there is no regulation, well or otherwise.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

See that’s the thing. None of these people that defend the 2nd amendment want to think about the phrase “well regulated”. They either ignore it, or stumble over themselves trying to avoid defining it, because they know that deep down the framers wanted exactly that: for this “militia” to be well regulated. And god forbid any regulations impede on our ability to buy and own whatever kind or quantity of guns we want.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

https://constitution.congress.gov/co...n/amendment-2/

10 U.S. Code § 246 - Militia: composition and classes

(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b)The classes of the militia are—
(1)the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2)the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

Those who insist that the Second Amendment refers exclusively to the National Guard are legislatively illiterate.

[h_curtis]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

https://constitution.congress.gov/co...n/amendment-2/


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

Those who insist that the Second Amendment refers exclusively to the National Guard are legislatively illiterate.

So what is your definition of “well regulated”?

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

https://constitution.congress.gov/co...n/amendment-2/


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/246

Those who insist that the Second Amendment refers exclusively to the National Guard are legislatively illiterate.

Bingo…they think guns are icky and think everyone should think like they do, while at the same time defending those that use them in violent crimes.

[h_curtis]

Originally Posted by Bigger_energy

Guns are "icky" -- what adult talks like that?! Garbage premise. Try again sh-tf-ck!

It’s his cute attempt at condescension, and it’s a defense mechanism that people use when they have no valid arguments.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

It’s his cute attempt at condescension, and it’s a defense mechanism that people use when they have no valid arguments.

Nah, you obviously don’t like guns, and want them regulated to your terms and want folks to agree with you, while at the same time blaming the gun that can’t act on its own instead of the violent criminal using it. You can’t accept that folks are happy with the regulations already in place so you want them to give you a different answer that you want to hear.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

So what is your definition of “well regulated”?

Functional. Well-armed.

[h_curtis]

Originally Posted by tyovan4

Functional. Well-armed.

Lol. You think regulated means well armed?

At least have the balls to say you don’t agree with the founders and feel that there should be *no* regulations when it comes to firearms.

[tyovan4]

Originally Posted by h_curtis

Lol. You think regulated means well armed?

At least have the balls to say you don’t agree with the founders and feel that there should be *no* regulations when it comes to firearms.

Son.. before you call other people out on their supposed lack of balls, make sure that youre capable of engaging in intellectual conversation.

What did it mean to be well regulated?

One of the biggest challenges in interpreting a centuries-old document is that the meanings of words change or diverge.

“Well-regulated in the 18th century tended to be something like well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined,” says Rakove. “It didn’t mean ‘regulation’ in the sense that we use it now, in that it’s not about the regulatory state. There’s been nuance there. It means the militia was in an effective shape to fight.”

In other words, it didn’t mean the state was controlling the militia in a certain way, but rather that the militia was prepared to do its duty.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/polit...rnd/index.html

There.. from CNN.. ya know - that vast fountain of right-wing propaganda