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Old 09-22-2021, 06:46 PM
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This is one of the area's largest polluters. It is supposed to close this month. Did it?

Here is the latest article I have found.

https://triblive.com/local/valley-ne...-in-community/

The amount of train traffic should be significantly lower after closure. All I see is coal on those tracks.


Anyone have any updates? This is pretty big for our area as this plant is pretty nasty and very much outdated.

Hoping it closes and we can look to educate and get the 60 employees back to work.

Every little bit helps.
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Old 09-22-2021, 09:04 PM
 
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This is one of the area's largest polluters. It is supposed to close this month. Did it?

Here is the latest article I have found.

https://triblive.com/local/valley-ne...-in-community/

The amount of train traffic should be significantly lower after closure. All I see is coal on those tracks.


Anyone have any updates? This is pretty big for our area as this plant is pretty nasty and very much outdated.

Hoping it closes and we can look to educate and get the 60 employees back to work.

Every little bit helps.
Yeah I hope something else can happen in Springdale area. The town seems to be making a comeback overall and its population remained pretty stable this census.
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Old 09-23-2021, 07:55 AM
 
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You can blame the closure on our wacko Governor, Tom Wolf, and his decision to join the "Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative." Under RGGI rules, it would be impossible for coal fired power plants to continue in operation. Question: where will replacement power come from?
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Old 09-23-2021, 08:07 AM
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You can blame the closure on our wacko Governor, Tom Wolf, and his decision to join the "Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative." Under RGGI rules, it would be impossible for coal fired power plants to continue in operation. Question: where will replacement power come from?
I applaud its closure to be honest. It is way past its serviceable life and one of the largest polluters in Allegheny County.

We have a lot of much cleaner natural gas in place. I was more interested in if it is closed yet. I haven't read anything on it.
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Old 09-23-2021, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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You can blame the closure on our wacko Governor, Tom Wolf, and his decision to join the "Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative." Under RGGI rules, it would be impossible for coal fired power plants to continue in operation. Question: where will replacement power come from?
Coal is no longer cost-competitive with other fuel sources (from natural gas to renewables) even when there are administrations who do everything they can to grease the skids for the industry.

Actively subsidizing coal-burning plants is stupid regardless, considering how polluting it is even in brought up to "modern" standards (which of course makes it more expensive).

I feel bad for the power plant workers, but otherwise, good riddance.
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Old 09-23-2021, 08:48 AM
 
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What power plants will be producing additional electricity when this one goes offline?

Anyone here paying attention to skyrocketing natural gas prices in Europe?

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Old 09-23-2021, 08:57 AM
 
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What power plants will be producing additional electricity when this one goes offline?
There's a grid exchanging energy across the entire eastern U.S. Supply does not have to be hyper-local.
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Old 09-23-2021, 09:01 AM
 
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Replacement power will come from multiple sources through the PJM interconnection. There is still a large coal generated component to the PJM fuel mix- about 1/3. Renewables account for less than 10% of the replacement power. Most of the replacement power will be from natural gas plants.


Gas turbines are internal combustion engines which emit carbon dioxide, oxides of nitrogen and even carbon monoxide. They are not pollution free.


The savior of our planet should be nuclear energy, but the wackos are against it. Former NYS governor, Andrew Cuomo, single handedly shut down the Indian Point 1 & 2 nuclear power plants because the wacko thought that a tsunami would come up the Hudson River, destroy the plants and kill everyone in the Northeast.


Jimmy Carter nixed reprocessing of the spent nuclear fuel rods. They sit in concrete casks at nuclear power plants even though the US Congress promised to start removing the casks to a repository in Nevada starting in 1999. Reprocessing would make nuclear power renewable almost till the end of time.


https://www.pjm.com/
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Old 09-23-2021, 09:11 AM
 
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There's a grid exchanging energy across the entire eastern U.S. Supply does not have to be hyper-local.
No, but every power plant taken offline decreases power capacity. If power capacity isn't replaced, total power generated will decline and prices rise.

If we're going to decrease power capacity, we need fewer people and businesses.
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Old 09-23-2021, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Replacement power will come from multiple sources through the PJM interconnection. There is still a large coal generated component to the PJM fuel mix- about 1/3. Renewables account for less than 10% of the replacement power. Most of the replacement power will be from natural gas plants.


Gas turbines are internal combustion engines which emit carbon dioxide, oxides of nitrogen and even carbon monoxide. They are not pollution free.


The savior of our planet should be nuclear energy, but the wackos are against it. Former NYS governor, Andrew Cuomo, single handedly shut down the Indian Point 1 & 2 nuclear power plants because the wacko thought that a tsunami would come up the Hudson River, destroy the plants and kill everyone in the Northeast.


Jimmy Carter nixed reprocessing of the spent nuclear fuel rods. They sit in concrete casks at nuclear power plants even though the US Congress promised to start removing the casks to a repository in Nevada starting in 1999. Reprocessing would make nuclear power renewable almost till the end of time.


https://www.pjm.com/
One of the ways I break from the leftist orthodoxy is I'm very pro-nuclear. Unfortunately there are so many regulative hurdles for new nuclear plants in the U.S. however that it's just not cost-competitive to open new ones.
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