Pittsburgh bike lanes/infrastructure (Erie, Ellsworth: neighborhood, design, racist)

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

But it could not have been used for any other project period. The Federal government allocated the funding specifically for this purpose only. Use it or lose it. Same with the competition for mass transit infrastructure projects. No city in the US can fund massive infrastructure projects. Not one. The money was not wasted.

So no survey was done, they received money , and wasted it on something that doesn’t get used. Proof to the $366K being allocated to that project only, and not being able to be used for any other bike project period that could’ve been researched better, and please be specific?

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by erieguy

So no survey was done, they received money , and wasted it on something that doesn’t get used. Proof to the $366K being allocated to that project only, and not being able to be used for any other bike project period that could’ve been researched better, and please be specific?

No. I will not be more specific. The facility will grow with the surrounding area. This facility and the overall project was completed to safely and comfortably accommodate future growth. Check back in 5 years from now.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

No. I will not be more specific. The facility will grow with the surrounding area. This facility and the overall project was completed to safely and comfortably accommodate future growth. Check back in 5 years from now.

Because it’s not true is why. A survey could’ve been done and the money could’ve been spent on a better project, and you’re assuming it will get use in the future. The fact is someone got paid to build a facility that could’ve been used more wisely on a better project.

[BUILD PENN SQUARE]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

No. I will not be more specific. The facility will grow with the surrounding area. This facility and the overall project was completed to safely and comfortably accommodate future growth. Check back in 5 years from now.

in five years from now, if the current population trend continues, there will be even less demand for pittsburgh bike infrastructure



https://www.biggestuscities.com/city...ylvania#byyear

Census reports small drop in Pittsburgh's population

"Mayor Bill Peduto took office in 2014 with the announced goal of growing the city’s population by 20,000 in a decade.

Two years in, he appears farther from reaching that mark than when he started.

U.S. Census Bureau estimates being released publicly today suggest a small population decline took place in Pittsburgh between July 2014 and July 2015, just as occurred the prior year. The city’s population is pegged at 304,391 as of last July, an annual decline of 1,374.

The city also has fewer residents now than the 305,704 who were counted in the official 2010 decennial census. It was estimated to have had several years of growth following the formal head count, but that trend has fizzled."

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/c...s/201605190056

"There may also be quiet flight from the more forlorn or forgotten pockets of the city that outweighs the new housing attracting people to neighborhoods such as East Liberty and Lawrenceville."

east liberty - it has a brand new free bike garage!!!!

Allegheny County population dropped in year after 2020 census, latest estimates say

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/r...s/202207120101

"After seeing population gains during the last decade, Allegheny County experienced a population decline from 2020 to 2021, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates released earlier this year."

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by erieguy

So no survey was done, they received money , and wasted it on something that doesn’t get used. Proof to the $366K being allocated to that project only, and not being able to be used for any other bike project period that could’ve been researched better, and please be specific?

Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

in five years from now, if the current population trend continues, there will be even less demand for pittsburgh bike infrastructure



https://www.biggestuscities.com/city...ylvania#byyear

Census reports small drop in Pittsburgh's population

"Mayor Bill Peduto took office in 2014 with the announced goal of growing the city’s population by 20,000 in a decade.

Two years in, he appears farther from reaching that mark than when he started.

U.S. Census Bureau estimates being released publicly today suggest a small population decline took place in Pittsburgh between July 2014 and July 2015, just as occurred the prior year. The city’s population is pegged at 304,391 as of last July, an annual decline of 1,374.

The city also has fewer residents now than the 305,704 who were counted in the official 2010 decennial census. It was estimated to have had several years of growth following the formal head count, but that trend has fizzled."

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/c...s/201605190056

"There may also be quiet flight from the more forlorn or forgotten pockets of the city that outweighs the new housing attracting people to neighborhoods such as East Liberty and Lawrenceville."

east liberty - it has a brand new free bike garage!!!!

Allegheny County population dropped in year after 2020 census, latest estimates say

https://www.post-gazette.com/local/r...s/202207120101

"After seeing population gains during the last decade, Allegheny County experienced a population decline from 2020 to 2021, according to U.S. Census Bureau estimates released earlier this year."

Not true especially considering this particular area. That graph says a lot at a glance. Look at the recent trend. I see decades of stability in the last few. Again this was a national award to our city that was highly competitive. Pittsburgh beat out most of our peers for “specific development ” funding. Good for Pittsburgh.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

Not true especially considering this particular area. That graph says a lot at a glance. Look at the recent trend. I see decades of stability in the last few. Again this was a national award to our city that was highly competitive. Pittsburgh beat out most of our peers for “specific development ” funding. Good for Pittsburgh.

Spending $366K for something that doesn’t get used was a poor decision, especially when the money could’ve been better spent on a different bicycle project…and just because you see it versus what the the trend is showing doesn’t mean anything. You’re going to defend the move no matter what even when information put in front of you proves otherwise, because Pittsburgh. Build the facility when demand needs the facility.

I’m still interested in knowing who built the facility.

[gg]

Originally Posted by wpipkins2

I lived in the inner city during this time. I do not recall this. 4 1/2 years appears to correspond with your misery during the Trump administration. Could this have caused your misery? If I recall you admitted to alcohol consumption during this time. What you felt during that time does not represent reality. Everything you said is not true. Fake news. 4 1/2 years of unrest in the city of Pittsburgh??? I cannot allow you to spread that lie.

You pretty much live in Penn Hills way out by the shutdown East Hills Shopping Center. I used to go to Whole Foods, Target and Trader Joe’s and my work took me out East, so I would drive through there all the time. The riots were daily with all the TDS fools. They protested downtown, at the stadiums, at Target. They got their rolling police escorts daily. I don’t live in a fake forgetful world. 4 1/2 years of it nonstop. Any excuse they could come up with, but it was all a temper tantrum for all those years. Denying that is silly.

[wpipkins2]

Originally Posted by gg

You pretty much live in Penn Hills way out by the shutdown East Hills Shopping Center. I used to go to Whole Foods, Target and Trader Joe’s and my work took me out East, so I would drive through there all the time. The riots were daily with all the TDS fools. They protested downtown, at the stadiums, at Target. They got their rolling police escorts daily. I don’t live in a fake forgetful world. 4 1/2 years of it nonstop. Any excuse they could come up with, but it was all a temper tantrum for all those years. Denying that is silly.

East Liberty is my shopping district. Whole Foods, Target, and Trader Joe’s. My parents live in Stanton Heights and my children attended K-12 in the immediate area. I’m sure I would’ve noticed. There was a few incidents that were minor. I actually drove through the East Liberty protest as it formed. I didn’t notice any vandalism or hostile behavior. There was the downtown riots and the pop up protests. With the exception of downtown none of these caused damage or injuries. I do not remember 4 1/2 years or protests.

[szug-bot]

Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

in five years from now, if the current population trend continues, there will be even less demand for pittsburgh bike infrastructure

that chart shows a decline in overall population, despite the short span of growth in bike infrastructure.

you cannot conclude there will be less bike infrastructure demand from that graph. you have to break it down to neighborhoods. wouldnt most agree biking is pretty much north side to the east end, mostly? South Side as well....

its where the young populations are. there are older people (40s and up) of course that ride, either for pleasure or for transpo needs.

but this forecast of yours is not a strong argument by any means. there might even be 'less demand', but that doesnt even mean it will stay in decline. demand could come roaring back in the late 2020s on an upward trend.

[burghophilia-12]

Originally Posted by szug-bot

that chart shows a decline in overall population, despite the short span of growth in bike infrastructure.

you cannot conclude there will be less bike infrastructure demand from that graph. you have to break it down to neighborhoods. wouldnt most agree biking is pretty much north side to the east end, mostly? South Side as well....

its where the young populations are. there are older people (40s and up) of course that ride, either for pleasure or for transpo needs.

but this forecast of yours is not a strong argument by any means. there might even be 'less demand', but that doesnt even mean it will stay in decline. demand could come roaring back in the late 2020s on an upward trend.

Right on, Szuggy. BPS's statistical analysis skills leave a little to be desired. I sure hope he's not out there making data-related pronouncements on other, more important issues, like vaccines. Oh wait . . . .

In any event, since my ride yesterday took me through Shadyside, I did make a pilgrimage to this shed, and while it was a holiday for most (and perhaps not the best day to judge), it was empty, but for one bike frame, sans wheels, that looks like it may have occupied that location longer than the shed itself.

So, I say to you BPS, while I have considered you, in the past, completely full of sh-t, I must revise my opinion, and say that you are just, mostly full of sh-t.