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I'm not in Montana. But if they want to do that, let them. That's a states-rights issue. Don't like it? Don't move there.
No, it's not a states rights issue. The Supreme Court has already ruled on it. You can't have one set of laws regulating sex for homosexuals, and another set of laws for heterosexuals. It was declared unconstitutional in 2003. If the Montana GOP wants to pass this law, they'll have to convince the state of Montana to leave the union.
If you think 100% of the time it's because someone is BORN that way you're wrong, so you need to take a course about human psychology and sexual development.
So all of a sudden you're Freud?
Hmm, well actually those courses were required at my liberal New England college, so yeah, I do at least have an educated person's understanding of human sexuality.
Sexual development isn't about choice anyway-which is my point.
Hmm, well actually those courses were required at my liberal New England college, so yeah, I do at least have an educated person's understanding of human sexuality.
Sexual development isn't about choice anyway-which is my point.
I'm not going to debate anything except the subject of this thread.
If you think 100% of the time it's because someone is BORN that way you're wrong, so you need to take a course about human psychology and sexual development.
So what % of the time IS it becasue someone is born that way? Exactly..
Are you seriously comparing driving fast which can kill people to loving someone of the same gender? What does that have to do with 'morality'? It has to do with safety issues.
Oh and cities shouldn't restrict alcohol sales either, no arguments there. That's an overstepping of government, the govt. has no business in telling me when I can and cannot drink alcohol. We should be scaling back the size & power of the government, not increasing it to epic proportions with weird and unnecessary laws!
So, I have a question. Would giving an erotic massage to a male friend be A-OK? Or if I suddenly decide to stick my penis in his butt it's suddenly magically different? How about masturbating beside him? Is this really any of your business anyway? Why is it your concern?
Uh, nobody's forcing you to watch? Mind your own beeswax, busybody. You're the one who wants to RESTRICT things therefore *you* are the one shoving your morality in people's faces. Nobody is trying to restrict you from being a fundamentalist. However you desire to restrict others from doing consensual non-harmful things. See the difference?
Why don't you just come out and admit that you think gays are sick and should be killed. At least you'll make sense.
Have I said that homsexual behavior was right or wrong on this thread? I've simply said it's a state's right to make it legal or not.
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Not really relevant as it's not a states rights issue at all.
Yah...it really is.
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Besides, what about the gay folks who already live there or will live there through the process of being born? You really didn't think your post through very well did you?
Don't get caught? Don't move there? Don't do those activities? Get enough like-minded people together to reverse it?
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You don't believe in free will if your a calvinist, that has everything to do with it. If you're not, you should change your screen name. If you believe your life and afterlife is already decided, then what's the point of freedom. What's the point of thought, what's the point of choice? None of it matters. None of it effects the outcome. Therefore you have no problem telling other people they don't have/shouldn't have free will and free choice, because you believe you are right. You have no vested interest.
I believe in free will because the Bible talks about it. Calvinism is not the absence of free will. Yes, God does choose us and predestine us, but there is also an element of free will. How exactly they work together, I have no idea.
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My morality versus your morality. Well, you got me there. But my morality doesn't allow room for thoughts about making it illegal to be who you are.
Sure it does. There are lots of people that can't control themselves and commit crimes -- be they sexual crimes, alcohol-related crimes, drug crimes, etc. The difference is that you don't think it's right to make just this issue illegal.
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No goverment on earth has the power to legislate morality.
So those little laws against murder, stealing, etc are wrong?
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Besides morality and faith/religion are independent of each other. Faith might inform morality, but just because the Bible says so, doesn't make it right. Do you actually think God Himself wrote that thing?
yes, I do think God wrote it--or inspired it, actually. Can you prove he didn't?
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