Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Why should outside the classroom matter? Couldnt that be said of any number of behaviors done outside the classroom? What about other majors? Do all other majors have this similar provision? There are many more majors that put people handling people at more risk that dont have this same kind of requirement. Why is this major so special?
Why should outside the classroom matter? Couldnt that be said of any number of behaviors done outside the classroom? What about other majors? Do all other majors have this similar provision? There are many more majors that put people handling people at more risk that dont have this same kind of requirement. Why is this major so special?
Its not. Each major that deals with people has its own requirements. Ever heard of "code of ethics"?
Why should outside the classroom matter? Couldnt that be said of any number of behaviors done outside the classroom? What about other majors? Do all other majors have this similar provision? There are many more majors that put people handling people at more risk that dont have this same kind of requirement. Why is this major so special?
She wants to be a school counselor. Counseling young people. In a vulnerable and private setting. You don't want predators to have access to situations like this, do you? If someone in the school's program hinted to faculty or other students that they might take advantage of students sexually, you would object? She's clearly not someone who would do this, but isn't using the vulnerability and privacy in counseling to push your religion on others also kind of predatory?
Employers use educational backgrounds to screen for possible problems. The school has a reputation. Even if the school cannot be sued for the actions of the student, it's reputation can be damaged by the actions of the student, and that represents a material interest in assuring that a student it confers a degree on subscribes to certain professional and ethical standards. You are right, there in no way to know what she will do after she graduates, except that in her comments to her teachers and to other students, she has indicated what she will do. And that's what got her into trouble. That she indicated that she plans to disregard the ethical requirement to set aside her prejudices and biases when counseling young and vulnerable students.
The school is equally damaged by a student that imposes herself in way that is the opposite of what this girl planned to do. A student can change their viewpoints or be an under performer at work? Any number of things can effect how people behave or act. Why should this girl be any different? A lot of people are young and zealous. Before they start revoking degrees based on belief they should clearly make known in their standard what beliefs are not tolerated before they accept people into their programs. A bit of a catch-22 is it? You get into the program and then they tell you after you have done the work you dont meet their requirements which werent listed in the requirements when you applied. Seems very unfair regardless of what her view point is. The university can do this to anyone. That is scary. There is no standard to say what can be deemed professional or not.
The school is equally damaged by a student that imposes herself in way that is the opposite of what this girl planned to do. A student can change their viewpoints or be an under performer at work? Any number of things can effect how people behave or act. Why should this girl be any different?
She's different in that she went for an early start to incompetency. If another falls through after university, it is too late for the university to handle it, although ACA might follow through.
Name me other majors that use "interpersonal skills" as a requirement?
As a Program Manager (IT), count my profession as another. Doctors have to abide by certain code of ethics as well, as do judges, juries...
Tell me again, you won't have an issue if a judge blatantly preached biased personal opinions, that are complete opposite of your beliefs, before taking the office?
She wants to be a school counselor. Counseling young people. In a vulnerable and private setting. You don't want predators to have access to situations like this, do you? If someone in the school's program hinted to faculty or other students that they might take advantage of students sexually, you would object? She's clearly not someone who would do this, but isn't using the vulnerability and privacy in counseling to push your religion on others also kind of predatory?
Let her apply to those schools and see how far she gets with her views. If she gets a job and damages a kid, she will be branded for life with it and likely be sued. The employer should hire the right person anyways. Universities need to take the training wheels off and let students learn the hard way. Let employers do their job and let them pay if their new hire makes a mistake. It will teach others to be careful and learn from her stupidity.
Let her apply to those schools and see how far she gets with her views. If she gets a job and damages a kid, she will be branded for life with it and likely be sued. The employer should hire the right person anyways. Universities need to take the training wheels off and let students learn the hard way. Let employers do their job and let them pay if their new hire makes a mistake. It will teach others to be careful and learn from her stupidity.
Let her apply? I'm sure she is free to apply. Don't blame universities for doing their job, and like any other institution or business, they are expected to try their best to make their products (students in this case) credible and marketable. They are not something you are expected to use and abuse to get a qualification without them having a say in it.
The school is equally damaged by a student that imposes herself in way that is the opposite of what this girl planned to do. A student can change their viewpoints or be an under performer at work? Any number of things can effect how people behave or act. Why should this girl be any different? A lot of people are young and zealous. Before they start revoking degrees based on belief they should clearly make known in their standard what beliefs are not tolerated before they accept people into their programs. A bit of a catch-22 is it? You get into the program and then they tell you after you have done the work you dont meet their requirements which werent listed in the requirements when you applied. Seems very unfair regardless of what her view point is. The university can do this to anyone. That is scary. There is no standard to say what can be deemed professional or not.
No one is revoking a degree here. And no one is saying that someone who was this girl's opposite should be treated differently. The school isn't saying that Ms Keeton should refrain from implementing her anti-homosexual values in a counseling setting, but that Ms Noteek is free to implement her anti-heterosexual values in a counseling setting. The school is saying that both Ms Keeton and Ms Noteek need to leave their values outside, and be value-neutral when counseling students. No anti-homosexual values, no anti-heterosexual values. And this a professional standard that is upheld by most counseling professional organizations, with the notable exception of some religiously-oriented counseling organizations. And that is why, since there are schools and organizations that do have a religious orientation, that Ms Keeton's rights are not being abridged. She can apply to those schools and organizations, get a degree, get a license. This school does not want to be associated via Ms Keeton or anyone else with religiously-oriented counseling methods. And legally they have an interest in maintaining the kind of reputation they desire. Ms Keeton's interests, given that she has alternatives available to her, do not outweigh the school's interests, because the school doesn't just represent itself, it represents the thousands of alumni and current and future students who have an interest in the reputation of the school.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
