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Unions have very specific grievance procedures. This dead murderer apparently did not file any complaint of workplace harrassment or racial discrimination with his union. The union attorneys would have jump all over that employer like wolves on a wounded deer had a complaint of racial discrimination and workplace harrassment been filed.
The fact that no complaint was filed makes the race card played after the fact extremely suspect. The dead murderer didn't even have to confront his employer, all he had to do was go to his union. Chew on that one awhile.
Facts are that people died yesterday and one was the armed murderer violating his workplace policy of no weapons and the rest were unarmed victims.
This is my thing. The mom claims that the shooter called to say he'd just killed the racists who were harassing him. He said he knew the cops were coming, so he was going to take his own life. What POSSIBLE motivation would the Mom have for saying that these were her sons last words? If you're grieving over your child's death, wouldn't their last words to you be important enough not to change them? And if this is indeed what the shooter said, isn't it plausible that he did feel like he was being harassed (whether it was true or not)?
Perhaps, as a man, he didn't want to look "weak" by reporting the harassment. Perhaps, he reported it to his supervisors and they said they would handle it. We don't know if the allegations are true or not but really if a suicidal killer's last words are "I just killed the racists who were bothering me"........what would leave folks to claim that he was "playing the race card"?
I didn't jump on race. The murderer is the one who did that. I am commenting on it.
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What does race have to do with this?
Apparently you haven't read the story yet. Go read it and then come back and we can skip this question.
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I certainly hope, and expect, that when a white or other person commits a crime, you alway scall them by their color first. You do that with whites, don't you?
If a white person kills black people because of their color I will jump all over it.
This is my thing. The mom claims that the shooter called to say he'd just killed the racists who were harassing him. He said he knew the cops were coming, so he was going to take his own life. What POSSIBLE motivation would the Mom have for saying that these were her sons last words? If you're grieving over your child's death, wouldn't their last words to you be important enough not to change them? And if this is indeed what the shooter said, isn't it plausible that he did feel like he was being harassed (whether it was true or not)?
Perhaps, as a man, he didn't want to look "weak" by reporting the harassment. Perhaps, he reported it to his supervisors and they said they would handle it. We don't know if the allegations are true or not but really if a suicidal killer's last words are "I just killed the racists who were bothering me"........what would leave folks to claim that he was "playing the race card"?
Frankly I don't care what his motivations were for going to his workplace and executing co-workers. Had he been harrassed there are specific measures he had available through his union to address the situation without ever being forced to address his employer head-on. That is one of the reasons people join unions, to have someone else with greater resources and power fight on their behalf. This murderer chose to play God and take the lives of others after he had been allegedly taped via security video stealing beer from his employer.
Make all the excuses for this murderer's motivations you want, they don't fly. He ended his life in the manner of a sociopath. He chose his road, nobody else. He proved he was weak of character through his actions. No one cornered him and made him defend his life. He had peaceful, legal venues for conflict resolution and he never even tried to use them. Instead he pronounced himself judge, jury and executioner. Stop turning this murderer into a "victim". The victims are dead and their families are left behind to pick up the pieces of broken lives this murderous thug imposed upon them.
This is my thing. The mom claims that the shooter called to say he'd just killed the racists who were harassing him.
Harassing him for stealing a beer? Maybe if you're caught stealing at the workplace, being asked to resign is a natural consequence. Oh wait...unless you didn't see anything wrong with stealing in the first place. Then, of course, anyone who tried to point this little technicality out to you could possibly be perceived as engaging in harassment. Certainly the company that was going to ask him to resign was guilty of blatant discrimination. They were discriminating against thieves (and had he not murdered the lot of them, surely an anti-discrimination lawsuit would have followed).
Unions have very specific grievance procedures. This dead murderer apparently did not file any complaint of workplace harrassment or racial discrimination with his union. The union attorneys would have jump all over that employer like wolves on a wounded deer had a complaint of racial discrimination and workplace harrassment been filed.
The fact that no complaint was filed makes the race card played after the fact extremely suspect. The dead murderer didn't even have to confront his employer, all he had to do was go to his union. Chew on that one awhile.
Facts are that people died yesterday and one was the armed murderer violating his workplace policy of no weapons and the rest were unarmed victims.
You make a good point about going to your union rep. I know that it what I would have done if I were in that situation. I know some people who did just that. None of the parties did what one would suspect in the incident....so its hard to say.
My assumption is that he has always had the view the man is keeping the brother down. It was his rationalization for commiting the murders. His forman was probably riding him because 1. He was a new guy and 2. the forman probably new he was stealing but couldn't say anything. A combination of his racism fantasy and the idiot managers set off this powder keg. I wonder how many of the other 65 drivers are black that have no issues with this company. I bet none.
One of the first things you learn in corporate security is never let the employee go back to his locker unescorted after you have fired him. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID.
Harassing him for stealing a beer? Maybe if you're caught stealing at the workplace, being asked to resign is a natural consequence. Oh wait...unless you didn't see anything wrong with stealing in the first place. Then, of course, anyone who tried to point this little technicality out to you could possibly be perceived as engaging in harassment. Certainly the company that was going to ask him to resign was guilty of blatant discrimination. They were discriminating against thieves (and had he not murdered the lot of them, surely an anti-discrimination lawsuit would have followed).
You are ignoring the HISTORY. The harrasement did not start with the firing over the beer.....according to the family and girl friend.
Frankly I don't care what his motivations were for going to his workplace and executing co-workers. Had he been harrassed there are specific measures he had available through his union to address the situation without ever being forced to address his employer head-on. That is one of the reasons people join unions, to have someone else with greater resources and power fight on their behalf. This murderer chose to play God and take the lives of others after he had been allegedly taped via security video stealing beer from his employer.
Make all the excuses for this murderer's motivations you want, they don't fly. He ended his life in the manner of a sociopath. He chose his road, nobody else. He proved he was weak of character through his actions. No one cornered him and made him defend his life. He had peaceful, legal venues for conflict resolution and he never even tried to use them. Instead he pronounced himself judge, jury and executioner. Stop turning this murderer into a "victim". The victims are dead and their families are left behind to pick up the pieces of broken lives this murderous thug imposed upon them.
Plausibility denied.
And your attitude is why things never really get better in America. I have not yet read in this thread where someone said this individual was justified. In fact, everyone said the opposite....even me. NOTHING justifies his actions.....but there are REASONS for his actions that NEED to be understood to help prevent or protect people in the future.
I didn't have a straight face. This is just applying liberal logic to this story. Every time a shooting takes place, liberals usually jump to blame Rush Limabaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News or the NRA. This time it was a black union guy, so they are speechless, other than I'm sure someone will blame it on people having 2nd ammendment rights.
No this is just being stupid!!!!
This has nothing to do with conservative or liberal only a pathetic loser would make that comparison.
Do you imagine that wives without husbands, husbands without wives or children now without a parent are sitting around saying, "yeah,I know why he did it; he's a liberal"!!
People are hurting at their deepest level and you use it as an excuse to bash a political point of view, what a po, never mind you figure it out.
And your attitude is why things never really get better in America. I have not yet read in this thread where someone said this individual was justified. In fact, everyone said the opposite....even me. NOTHING justifies his actions.....but there are REASONS for his actions that NEED to be understood to help prevent or protect people in the future.
Oh please, if it were some "redneck" that targetted blacks you wouldn't care at all about whatever reason he had.
If you truly meant what you said, then what happens when you find out the reason? Do you change society to fix the cause?
So you would outlaw abortion so that abortion clinic bombers aren't mad and bomb clinics?
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