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I condone every pointless act of violence including 9/11, including the war
in Iraq etc.
Why do Americans think they are the only victims? As terrible as 9/11 was, people in Iraq have lost family members,too, and no one gives a s*** in the US. Stop getting involved in every corner of the world. Change your foreign policies! Terrorism is growing because of your foreign policies.
I hope you meant to say "condemn" not "condone".
Terrorism is growing because nobody wants to be honest about what the problem is. Fanatical fundamentalist Islam. Period.
Terrorists us the U.S. as an excuse.
The governments and religious leaders of places like Iran and Iraq kill and oppress their own people on a scale that the US could never achieve even if they tried.
Iraqi leaders rape thousand of their own people and Terrorists do nothing. Americans show a sex scene in a movie and terrorists are outraged about the disgusting infidels.
Iraqi leaders torture their own people. Cut off fingers, genitals, breasts, beat them ruthlessly and terrorists don't do a thing.
Americans put panties on a POW's head and now suddenly terrorists are concerned about torture.
The list goes on and on. Terrorists hate Americans because were not Muslim. Plain and simple. I know this because they say so.
So I agree with you on one point. Americans do need to mind their own business and stop worrying about the rest of the world. Let them fend for themselves.
We can't help people that are unwilling to help themselves.
Democrat, Progressive, Marxist, Communist, Socialist. Which of these do you prefer?
That's kind of like asking you, "Dumbass, Idiot, Moron, Nincompoop. Which of these do you prefer?"
Clearly you're none of these things. Can you understand that your attempt to pigeonhole the people who are arguing with you is nonsensical? They've told you they aren't on the Left politically. Which means the choices you provided are none of them applicable. People who are in the Center politically or even on the Right will disagree with you on some issues. A mature person understands this.
Because you think the Liberal thing to do is to force religious institutions to offer particular programs. Like, Liberals should force the Jewish Community Center and the Muslim Community Center both to have Pork-Out banquets or luaus. "Libs" aren't about dictating what beliefs churches should espouse. "Libs" are about respecting people's beliefs and religions as long as those beliefs aren't forced on people who don't share them.
Last I checked, Synoguges, churches, and JCC's aren't touted as places of "understanding and tolerance" lke the ground zero mosque is being touted. I heard one of the founders state on the BBC that it IS to be a place of understanding and tolerance.So given places like the JCC, that are NOT self described as places of understanding and tolerance are gay friendly, should not this place be, given it touts itself as being tolerant, or will you LOOK THE OTHER WAY?
Last I checked, Synoguges, churches, and JCC's aren't touted as places of "understanding and tolerance" lke the ground zero mosque is being touted. I heard one of the founders state on the BBC that it IS to be a place of understanding and tolerance.So given places like the JCC, that are NOT self described as places of understanding and tolerance are gay friendly, should not this place be, given it touts itself as being tolerant, or will you LOOK THE OTHER WAY?
Synogogues, and churches aren't places of understanding and tolerance? I'm sorry they aren't on your planet. They are on mine. They are places you go to find comfort and inspiration, peace and acceptance. Understanding and tolerance. Why do people go to churches on your planet?
Thanks, always confuse those two. I am not a native english speaker. Fixed that.
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Terrorism is growing because nobody wants to be honest about what the problem is. Fanatical fundamentalist Islam. Period.
Terrorists us the U.S. as an excuse.
The governments and religious leaders of places like Iran and Iraq kill and oppress their own people on a scale that the US could never achieve even if they tried.
Iraqi leaders rape thousand of their own people and Terrorists do nothing. Americans show a sex scene in a movie and terrorists are outraged about the disgusting infidels.
Iraqi leaders torture their own people. Cut off fingers, genitals, breasts, beat them ruthlessly and terrorists don't do a thing.
Americans put panties on a POW's head and now suddenly terrorists are concerned about torture.
The list goes on and on. Terrorists hate Americans because were not Muslim. Plain and simple. I know this because they say so.
So I agree with you on one point. Americans do need to mind their own business and stop worrying about the rest of the world. Let them fend for themselves.
We can't help people that are unwilling to help themselves.
1993 and 9/11 have nothing to do with your involvement in the Middle East? This is what Bush & Co wanted you to believe but those terrorists made it very clear it was the US support of Israel that was the reason. Since you believe what they say you must be familiar with that.
Synogogues, and churches aren't places of understanding and tolerance? I'm sorry they aren't on your planet. They are on mine. They are places you go to find comfort and inspiration, peace and acceptance. Understanding and tolerance. Why do people go to churches on your planet?
Really, so someone would go to a catholic church to get a gay marriage?
Sorry pal, but religious places are not touted as places of understanding and tolerance. In fact, if you aren't a member of the group/religion, you probably won't even be allowed inside.
Try showing up to a synagogue on Rosh Hashannah or Yom Kippur coming up in September..
HOWEVER, this place IS touted as a place of understanding and tolerance, so why are you turning a blind eye to the probability it will not be tolerant of homosexuals?
We know by now that the government can have nothing to do with building Mosque near ground zero. Then politics must be taken out of the equation and enters local laws governing buildings. Oh I almost forgot. What about all Muslems giving all a little dignity and respect and look for some other place to erect their glass housing.
As a wounded Vietnam Veteran I find it apalling and I am hurt by the Muslems who want to build by Ground Zero. Their excuses to erect a new Mosque by Ground Zero is silly and stupid...
I believe we should object to the highest authority (non governmental) and fight to our fullest ability to the building of a glass Mosque or whatever kind of Mosque that will house a group of people which we full fledged Americans view as disrespectful to those who died and those that may be forced to see its construction.....
Exactly the opposite. It keeps government out of religion. No where in the constitution does it say we can't have a religious government.
It says so right there in the Establishment clause. But hey, why argue with me? Take it up with the SCOTUS, because they agree with ME.
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This would be fine if it were true.
When it comes to christians the liberal argument is always about separation of church and state.
And for the reasons I stated above. If Buddhism were the majority religion, the ACLU would be all over them for Establishment clause violations because they would be that much more likely to run afoul of it. It's demographics.
Moreover, Christians are defended by civil rights groups like the ACLU on free exercise on a regular basis. Since that doesn't involve telling people they can't do something, it never gets as much press. But here you go: The ACLU Fights for Christians
Care to explain how this cases even exist, if your argument is valid? LOL
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When it comes to Islam the argument is always about freedom of religion.
Not always. ACLU files complaint against TIZA and MN Department of Education :: ACLU of Minnesota (http://www.aclu-mn.org/home/news/aclufilescomplaintagainstt.htm - broken link)
But since Islam is a minority religion, it's going to more often be the subject of free exercise issues. Again, this is a matter of demographics, not policy. I've already pointed out how ridiculous it is to argue that liberals would support muslim ideals in the first place - and they aren't. They are promoting free exercise and since Islam is rather unpopular in the US these days, that's where the violations are occuring.
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Talk about ignorant. Demographics have nothing to do with it.
When have liberals EVER defended Christians rights.
Scroll up, spanky. Unless you think the ACLU isn't "liberal."
Now explain to me how my point about demographics isn't valid. This should be fun.
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All we ever hear is "separation of church and state""separation of church and state".
Already proved you wrong on that one. Next.
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Now that the issue, finally, involves Islam suddenly those same people are screaming "freedom of religion.
Because that is the issue. It isn't an Establishment clause case, period.
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The first amendment guarantees freedom of religion."
Yes it does but not just for Muslims.
And no one ever said otherwise.
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Your ignorance and misunderstanding of the law the is culprit here not theirs.
LOL please. Tell it to the Supreme Court of the United States, because like I already told you, they agree with me.
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Separation of church and state to promote religious freedom is an oxymoron.
No, in fact that is EXACTLY the reason the Founders wanted it. Evidently it is too complicated for you to grasp how having a state religion impacts the rights of religious minorities - something our founders knew only too well.
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The 1st amendment in no way shape or form requires a separation of church and state
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."
Tell it to the SCOTUS, mister. They are the final arbiter of what the Constitutiuon means, and they do not agree with you.
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It's pretty obvious what that means. The state can't get involved with the church. It does not say that the church can't get involved with the state.
I wonder how many First Amendment cases you have read or studied. Actually I don't. because if you did, you would realize how utterly wrong you are. Court decisions are law too. Didn't you know that? Stare decisis FTW.
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Separating church and State is, by definition, taking away religious freedom.
Wow you really have no clue at all...uh how can all religions be treated equally if one of them is sanctioned and promoted by the state? Seriously. Explain that one for us. Really.
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The first part. Liberal hatred for anything that goes against their own narrow minded beliefs has put them in bed with the enemy. The enemy of my enemy is my friend type thinking.
Please show me an example of my "narrow minded beliefs." You have posted nothing whatsoever to support this ridiculous idea.
I have been to the US several times. Don't worry I do not think all Americans are easy to manipulate into believing all the BS, but I am worried about the hate against a majority of people because of the actions of very few people. Actually, some of it reminds me of 1933.
It's frightening. Their ignorance of the principles on which this country was even founded, whilst wrapping themselves in the flag and calling anyone that disagrees with a traitor them is really disturbing.
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