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As already shown in the footnote posted earlier referring to the Library Company of Philadelphia, and Benjamin Franklin's letter to Dumas, Vattel's work was highly influential to the framers of the Constitution.
well "highly influential" is a subjective term but...... let's have some fun.
which parts of the constitution were influenced by de vattel ??? we know that de vattel's view on gun ownership is opposite of our law and he never used the phrase "natural born citizen" ( in french or english ) so..... what parts do you think he influenced ?
For the record, I would like him to make a public address while holding his birth certificate in his hand, and then with a closeup shot of it. How difficult can this be for him to do?
you do realize there are closeup shots available on the web, don't you ?
Barack Obama was a "natural born citizen" of the United States of America the moment he exited his U.S. citizen mother's womb and landed directly on United States soil in the state of Hawaii.
No. You're confusing born naturally with the Constitutional requirement of 'natural born citizen.' They're not the same.
The origin and intent of the 'natural born citizen' clause in the Constitution has already been posted in this thread - John Jay's (i.e. Federalist Papers John Jay's) letter to Washington.
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Any other government's attempted claim on his citizenship is entirely IRRELEVANT to that FACT.
It's not a 'government claim.' It's Obama's actual citizenship status at birth via his non-U.S. citizen father. You're not going to try to persuade us that biological fathers have no rights in regards to their children, are you?
The meaning you insist is "quite clear" is a figment of your imagination. It exists nowhere in Jay's letter, and it contradicts 500 years of explicit Anglo-American common law.
No foreign nation's law can trump American law regarding our own citizenship. The only law that can declare President Obama a "foreigner" is US law... and under US law he is a natural born citizen.
You're missing the point. Obama directly inherited his British nationality through his British national non-U.S. citizen father. Even he admits that. Obama owed allegiance to a foreign sovereign/country at birth.
He directly inherited that citizenship at the same moment he became a natural born citizen of the United States by virtue of being born on US soil, not the child of a foreign diplomat or foreign army in hostile occupation.
He is (or was) a dual citizen. And one of those two citizenships is natural born US. Ergo he meets the Article 2 requirement perfectly.
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We can see from John Jay's letter to Washington that the clear intent of the 'natural born citizen' clause in the Constitution was to exclude foreigners. Obama's allegiance to the British sovereign at birth makes him a foreigner, and therefore Constitutionally ineligible.
Not under American law.
Unless you continue to insist that US law is inferior to that of every other nation even within its own borders.
As already shown in the footnote posted earlier referring to the Library Company of Philadelphia, and Benjamin Franklin's letter to Dumas, Vattel's work was highly influential to the framers of the Constitution.
And at the same time, not influential in some areas at all.
Two area where he had demonstrably zero influence are Article 2 and the Bill of Rights.
He directly inherited that citizenship at the same moment he became a natural born citizen of the United States by virtue of being born on US soil, not the child of a foreign diplomat or foreign army in hostile occupation.
He is (or was) a dual citizen. And one of those two citizenships is natural born US. Ergo he meets the Article 2 requirement perfectly.
Not under American law.
Unless you continue to insist that US law is inferior to that of every other nation even within its own borders.
My bet is that that's exactly what he will do.
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