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Old 09-04-2010, 04:12 PM
 
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The meaning you insist is "quite clear" is a figment of your imagination. It exists nowhere in Jay's letter
Obama, born with foreign citizenship, is Constitutionally ineligible.

John Jay to George Washington, 1787:
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Permit me to hint whether it would not be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government, and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born citizen.
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No foreign nation's law can trump American law regarding our own citizenship.
What American law states that a child born to a non-U.S. citizen parent is precluded from inheriting that parent's citizenship?
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:15 PM
 
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And here we see you doing exactly what birthers do. You are moving the goal posts having failed with the last set you put in place.
I'm not moving anything. There are very specific requirements in the Italian law. What are the exact citizenship statuses of your parents and your forebears. That all has bearing on your supposed claim to dual citizenship eligibility.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:16 PM
 
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Obama, born with foreign citizenship, is Constitutionally ineligible.
Too bad for your theory that under US law he was also born a natural born citizen of the United States. Therefore the British Nationality Act is trumped by our law.

Unless you are going to continue to insist that American law is inferior to British law.

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What American law states that a child born to a non-U.S. citizen parent is precluded from inheriting that parent's citizenship?
None.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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And at the same time, not influential in some areas at all.
And that's where John Jay's letter comes in - to confirm the intent of including the 'natural born citizen' clause.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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Where are you getting 'claim?' Read the British Nationality Act of 1948. There is no 'claim.' Obama was, IN FACT, a British national at birth.
The word "claim" has several meanings.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:20 PM
 
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Too bad for your theory that under US law he was also born a natural born citizen of the United States. Therefore the British Nationality Act is trumped by our law.
Cite the U.S. law that states that a child of a U.S. citizen parent and a non-U.S. citizen parent is a natural born citizen of the U.S.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:20 PM
 
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And that's where John Jay's letter comes in - to confirm the intent of including the 'natural born citizen' clause.
John Jay's letter is not US law.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:20 PM
 
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I'm not moving anything. There are very specific requirements in the Italian law. What are the exact citizenship statuses of your parents and your forebears. That all has bearing on your supposed claim to dual citizenship eligibility.
So what? There are also very specific requirements under the British Nationalist Act regarding Obama. There are very specific requirements for any and all nations that grant citizenship jus sanguinis.

In my case, I met them for Italy.

Hence... I am both a natural born citizen of the US, and a dual national with Italy at birth.

Just as Obama is both a natural born citizen of the US, and a dual national with Britain at birth.

QED: Vattel is wrong, the dual citizenship argument is wrong, or both are wrong.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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And that's where John Jay's letter comes in - to confirm the intent of including the 'natural born citizen' clause.
But since he offers no definition at all, he confirms nothing that you claim he confirms.
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Old 09-04-2010, 04:22 PM
 
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John Jay's letter is not US law.
It elucidates the intended meaning of the 'natural born citizen' clause in the U.S. Constitution.
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