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Old 01-11-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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I do not think they ever were a vital force in anything. If they are in decline, I will mourn one less source of amusement, but celebrate a small step towards logical reasoning.
Yeah, an anchor baby is a Natural Born Citizen, but a naturalized citizen isn't.

That's GREAT logical reasoning.

How do you think naturalized Danish immigrants are going to feel about this?

It might be the only reason they immigrated, to be president of the U.S.

How is this going to make THEM feel?
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:24 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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to the point that you said the country ( or state department ) wouldn't recognize citizenship if there wasn't some kind of family link to the country giving citizenship.
What I said was that the US State Department acknowledges the foreign citizenship claim of foreign countries on those born abroad to US citizens and/or those born in the US to a non-US citizen parent(s).
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:36 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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It's pretty clear you didn't read or do not understand the decision:
No. It is only clear that you want so desperately to avoid the unambiguous definition of natural born citizen that the decision contains, that you must try very hard and divert attention elsewhere. The final few sentences are not where the definition is found.

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Correct, it settled the doubt cast on Wong Kim Ark's US citizenship. It did not address whether Kim Wong Ark was a natural born citizen.
It explicitly an unambiguously defined natural born citizenship as not requiring citizen parents.
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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What I said was that the US State Department acknowledges the foreign citizenship claim of foreign countries on those born abroad to US citizens and/or those born in the US to a non-US citizen parent(s).
But it does not declare dual citizens to be foreigners.
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:38 PM
 
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It explicitly an unambiguously defined natural born citizenship as not requiring citizen parents.
Uh, uh!

You're weaving again.
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:39 PM
 
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just not jewish.
Like the UK, Israeli nationality law allows the inheritance of Israeli citizenship by parentage to only one generation outside of Israel. Otherwise, deliberate action (Law of Return, residence, naturalization) must be taken by a Jew to gain Israeli citizenship.
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Old 01-11-2011, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Like the UK, Israeli nationality law allows the inheritance of Israeli citizenship by parentage to only one generation outside of Israel. Otherwise, deliberate action (Law of Return, residence, naturalization) must be taken by a Jew to gain Israeli citizenship.
In case you were unaware... it actually takes deliberate action to gain recognition of dual citizenship 100% of the time. Without such an affirmative act, the nation in question can have no confidence in the citizenship claim of any individual born overseas.

This is as true for the UK as any other nation. It is true for the US as well.
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Old 01-11-2011, 04:10 PM
 
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This is as true for the UK as any other nation. It is true for the US as well.
Certain knuckleheads actually believe that British Nationality Act of 1948 implies sovereign dominion over American citizens of British parentage going back as far as the establishment of the first British colony.

Never mind that the War of 1812 was fought, in part, because of the misconstrued notion that Britain could press American citizens into service of the Royal Navy.
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Old 01-11-2011, 04:13 PM
 
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No. It is only clear that you want so desperately to avoid the unambiguous definition of natural born citizen that the decision contains, that you must try very hard and divert attention elsewhere. The final few sentences are not where the definition is found.
The final few statements are where the decision, and therefore the precedent, is found.

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It explicitly an unambiguously defined natural born citizenship as not requiring citizen parents.
In the case of British citizenship, yes. The actual SCOTUS ruling on US citizenship defined Wong Kim Ark a CITIZEN, not a natural born citizen.
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Old 01-11-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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But it does not declare dual citizens to be foreigners.
The meaning of 'foreigner' at the time the Constitution was drafted can be found by reviewing the known First Federal Congress definition (published in the UC Berkeley Journal).
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