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Old 10-19-2010, 07:01 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Why are you against spending cuts and smaller government?
Because those who promise smaller government don't give it to us?
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Old 10-19-2010, 08:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by hawkeye2009 View Post
Typical liberal confusion.
And this is why liberals are typically confused. Neo=reactionaries always answer with:

[/quote]Here is a radical idea- how about cutting spending?[/quote]

But as the OP points out, neo-reactionaries NEVER have an answer about what they are going to cut, if anything.

That is the point of the whole thread. All these right wing teabagged candidates talking about making government smaller but can't or won't tell voters what it is they intend to cut, if anything.

So, far in forty years of screaming "smaller government, smaller government" not one single Republican administration has done a damned thing to reduce the size of government, if anything it grows with every Republican administration.


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Old 10-19-2010, 01:44 PM
 
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The bush tax cuts wich where massive and highly regressive where the single largest factor behind the more than doubling of national debt under Republican rule.
In point of fact the budget was on track to be in balance by 2012. The deficits were shrinking dramatically. In 2007 the deficit was 163 billion (as compared to roughly 1.5 trillion in each of Obama's two budgets). How was that possible given the Bush tax cuts? Simple. Low taxes stimulate the economy and a healthy economy generates higher tax revenue. So the tax cuts were matched (paid for, in the liberal lexicon) by higher federal revenue. Most of the growth in the size of the federal debt under Bush was attributable to unrestrained spending. After all Bush was a compassionate conservative, remember?

The Obama deficits (which dwarf the Bush deficits) are the result of a poor economy (so less revenue coming in) and dangerously destructive spending. Fortunately if the Republicans gain control of the Congress they can reverse both trends, i.e., revive the economy and thereby increase tax revenues and put a lid on the spending.
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Old 10-19-2010, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Southeast
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The top 2% getting this break is the #2 reason leading to the economic collapse only next to the wars.
Here is the part where you explain how tax cuts and war caused the recession:
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Old 10-19-2010, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Typical Republican non-solution focused on what else...tax cuts. We had 8 years of this under Bush and look where it got us.

Republicans Struggle To Say How They Would Pay For Tax Cuts (VIDEO)

OP struggles to start a good thread.

Will she actually enter the debate here or will this be another troll and run thread by Alexus?
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Old 10-19-2010, 02:16 PM
 
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Struggle? They have made it clear on these forums that the solution to keeping wealthy Bush tax cuts is to cut social programs for working poor, single parents, unemployed, disabled and Senior Citizens.
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Old 10-20-2010, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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OP struggles to start a good thread.

Will she actually enter the debate here or will this be another troll and run thread by Alexus?

Well, it appears to be a troll and run- as usual
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Old 10-20-2010, 06:56 AM
 
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The bush tax cuts wich where massive and highly regressive where the single largest factor behind the more than doubling of national debt under Republican rule.
The budget deficit was 1.2% of GDP in 2007. It's now 9.9% of GDP. I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.
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Old 10-20-2010, 06:59 AM
 
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Uneccessary wars of choice and foreign aid with no return on investment would be good places to start.
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With the July 27, 2010 enactment of the FY2010 Supplemental Appropriations Act (H.R. 4899/P.L.
111-201) Congress has approved a total of $1.121 trillion for military operations, base security,
reconstruction, foreign aid, embassy costs, and veterans’ health care for the three operations initiated
since the 9/11 attacks: Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF) Afghanistan and other counter terror
operations; Operation Noble Eagle (ONE), providing enhanced security at military bases; and
Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF).
Of this $1.121 trillion total, CRS estimates that Iraq will receive about $751 billion (67%), OEF $336
billion (30%) and enhanced base security about $29 billion (3%), with about $5 billion that CRS
cannot allocate (1/2%). About 94% of the funds are for DOD, 5% for foreign aid programs and
embassy operations, and 1% for medical care for veterans.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

Considering what % that is of our GDP clearly there was something else that "got us in to this mess", no?
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Old 10-20-2010, 07:01 AM
 
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Here is the part where you explain how tax cuts and war caused the recession:
We were selling houses to Iraqis who couldn't afford them!!! Ahhhhh!
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