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Old 12-30-2010, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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I agree that people should not have kids they can not afford but it still does not change that it is meant to live on.
You can't have it both ways, though. You can certainly live on min wage at 40 hours a week if it's just you. But you really can't support a family on that wage unless you work two FT min wage jobs and the other partner is also working.
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Old 12-30-2010, 09:56 PM
 
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You can't have it both ways, though. You can certainly live on min wage at 40 hours a week if it's just you. But you really can't support a family on that wage unless you work two FT min wage jobs and the other partner is also working.
You can't live on min. wage alone even in most places.
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:44 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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You can't live on min. wage alone even in most places.
Exactly and that is why it should be enough to live on. We are not just talking about people who made bad decisions and had kids they can not afford making minimum wage we are also talking about singles and couples who who are responsible making it. The minimum wage used to be enough to live on but then prices get getting raised but the minimum wage stayed the same.
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:54 AM
 
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I have 0 interest in reading 17 pages, so I'll simply state this:

In Washington, the minimum wage is pushing 9 dollars an hour. Companies out here do just fine. In fact, we have one of the strongest economies and job markets in the entire country. We also don't pay any more for goods or services than any other place, by and large (and I know, I've lived in a great many places).

Any company that utilizes minimum wage talent as its primary workforce, and who tries to claim that increasing the minimum wage is somehow harming them, falls into one of two categories:

1) The companies that are lying about the hardship or
2) The companies with severely flawed business models

I'm sorry, but if the difference between your success and your failure is whether you have to pay your labor 6 dollars an hour or 7.25, you need to re-evaluate your business.

This is a common sense issue. If you come to me and say "Unions are killing our company"? That's one thing. Odds are you are paying way too much for labor and other perks for your workers. If you come to me and say "that extra 1.25 an hour for 6 employees is killing my business", then all I can say is your business sucks.

If people up here in Washington can pay everybody at least 9 and succeed, than you should be able to pay 7.25
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:32 AM
 
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Exactly and that is why it should be enough to live on. We are not just talking about people who made bad decisions and had kids they can not afford making minimum wage we are also talking about singles and couples who who are responsible making it. The minimum wage used to be enough to live on but then prices get getting raised but the minimum wage stayed the same.
It depends on geography. Afterall, you're slightly above the poverty level (13k vs. 10k) this is assuming you work 40hrs a week every single week. Typically not enough to live on. Considering that the national rent is about $650 a month, the average person spends $112 for food, then you have utilities, any external medical expenses, gas...What about the unexpected expense? "Nickeled and Dimed" really illustrated this point well.
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:32 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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A new study shows that increased minimum wage does not increase unemployment.

Over a 16-year period, the study looked at counties that were located across the border from another county that had a minimum wage increase. Instead of increasing unemployment, the study found that higher wages decreased worker turnover.

Does a Higher Minimum Wage Reduce Jobs?

https://udrive.oit.umass.edu/folbre/...ube_proof2.pdf


Yawn...


"The Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET), launched with a $50 million pledge from George Soros to promote changes in economic theory and practice through research grants, Task Force groups, academic partnerships, and conferences, announced that it has selected Arindrajit Dube of University of Massachusetts, Amherst and Ethan Kaplan of Columbia University to research a spatial approach to macroeconomic inference."

Grant Awarded to Arindrajit Dube and Ethan Kaplan | Institute for New Economic Thinking

About the Institute | Institute for New Economic Thinking


NEXT!
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:33 AM
 
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The 'raising minimum wage' nay-sayers are those who have an excess of 'extras'. When appreciation for working Americans returns, count on the excess of extras becoming the necessities that these Americans will have. The excesses, owned by these nay-saying, fear mongering, money hoarders will be exterminated. A heavy reduction for government assistance will emerge. A great sense of appreciation among America's 'working' will reintroduce a PROUD American heritage.

Financial fear-mongering is soon to be a thing of the past.
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Old 12-31-2010, 01:38 AM
 
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I have 0 interest in reading 17 pages, so I'll simply state this:

In Washington, the minimum wage is pushing 9 dollars an hour. Companies out here do just fine. In fact, we have one of the strongest economies and job markets in the entire country. We also don't pay any more for goods or services than any other place, by and large (and I know, I've lived in a great many places).

Any company that utilizes minimum wage talent as its primary workforce, and who tries to claim that increasing the minimum wage is somehow harming them, falls into one of two categories:

1) The companies that are lying about the hardship or
2) The companies with severely flawed business models

I'm sorry, but if the difference between your success and your failure is whether you have to pay your labor 6 dollars an hour or 7.25, you need to re-evaluate your business.

This is a common sense issue. If you come to me and say "Unions are killing our company"? That's one thing. Odds are you are paying way too much for labor and other perks for your workers. If you come to me and say "that extra 1.25 an hour for 6 employees is killing my business", then all I can say is your business sucks.

If people up here in Washington can pay everybody at least 9 and succeed, than you should be able to pay 7.25
Good post.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:29 AM
 
Location: California
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I still don't see the point of being able to support yourself on minimum wage. It's for starter jobs, the kind you often have while still in school. Nobody has to move out on their own immediately, with their first unskilled job. That's what roommates are for. Never mind supporting a family, that's just ridiculous. You work, you learn, you do better, you get promotions and raises and prove yourself...THEN you go off and live. The fact that some folks want, or think they NEED, to support themselves with their very first "no experience required" job doesn't mean squat. People want, or think they NEED, many things but it's not reasonable to expect them to get it all.

However, if it did come to that then the minimum wage in CA would be a hell of a lot higher than the minimum wage in Nebraska.
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Old 12-31-2010, 02:41 AM
 
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If a study says higher minimum wage does not increase unemployement then the only conclusion that can be made is that the study is flawed; and since the link in the first post links to TheRealNews, which is a communist news source, I have no doubt about it.
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