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I run a maintenance shop
I have a shop foreman...$23/hr
I have 3 mechanics.......$20/hr
I have a parts manager...$21/hr
I have 2 mechanic helpers...$12
I have 2 parts workers/drivers...$10
I have 2 labors (to clear the shop)....$7 (2 over min)
minimum wage is $5
the 'government' raises the mimunum wage to 7.5
now I HAVE to increase the laborers wage to AT LEAST 7.5.. and he will WANT $9 (2 over min)....but If I give the "unskilled" laborer $9 then the driver (must maintain a clean liciense) will want more (hey boss, I was making $3 more than the unskilled guy) ...as so on, and so on...
thus RAISING THE COSTS of my SERVICE that I provide to the society.....
so either costs will go up....or people will get laid-off......
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So, according to you you cannot give those making $7 per hour a 50 cent raise but wuld have to give them $9 per hour because that is what they really want? Sorry that is not how I would run a business, give them what they deserve and since they are all making more than the minimum it is not an issue for you. Sorry but your logic just does not fly.
Casper
You are harping far too much on one aspect of the discussion. I have to go to work now so I don't have time to argue with you about this, but when I get back, I still will not argue about it b/c it's taking the thread off topic.
I will say, though, I have no idea what you're talking about with this post.
Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least.
You said that people should not have lost their jobs to begin with. Pretty straightforward statement.
I'm wondering how you think they were supposed to keep that from happening. Also a pretty straightforward statement.
The reality is that all kinds of people are now working minimum wage jobs just to survive and feed their families through no fault of their own, a point seemingly lost on you and many other posters.
What I expect, if the OP's link is accurate, is that a lot more people will be working for minimum wage, not so much because it doesn't increase unemployment but because companies can get away with not paying a living wage.
This will of course ultimately prove the OP's link true (and may be what we are already seeing), since when more people start working for minimum wage, the unemployment rate will by default go down.
And other studies, even government studies suggest the opposite.
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Originally Posted by Gary Siete
A new study shows that increased minimum wage does not increase unemployment.
Over a 16-year period, the study looked at counties that were located across the border from another county that had a minimum wage increase. Instead of increasing unemployment, the study found that higher wages decreased worker turnover.
Lots of those people work really hard for almost nothing and have to struggle daily just to survive. It certainly isn't a financial role model for rest the world.....much less America.
Your post is completely irrelevant and pointless. My numbers are very easily doable in the USA
Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least.
You said that people should not have lost their jobs to begin with. Pretty straightforward statement.
I'm wondering how you think they were supposed to keep that from happening. Also a pretty straightforward statement.
The reality is that all kinds of people are now working minimum wage jobs just to survive and feed their families through no fault of their own, a point seemingly lost on you and many other posters.
What I expect, if the OP's link is accurate, is that a lot more people will be working for minimum wage, not so much because it doesn't increase unemployment but because companies can get away with not paying a living wage.
This will of course ultimately prove the OP's link true (and may be what we are already seeing), since when more people start working for minimum wage, the unemployment rate will by default go down.
So what should minimum wage be set to cover? What is a 'living' wage? Why should anyone be paid according to their needs? I need to take care of my aging parents, wife, wife's aging parents, kids, nieces, nephews, neighbors friend's dog, etc.
So what should minimum wage be set to cover? What is a 'living' wage? Why should anyone be paid according to their needs? I need to take care of my aging parents, wife, wife's aging parents, kids, nieces, nephews, neighbors friend's dog, etc.
Well we could use it to cover the popping Real estate bubble.
Well, that doesn't surprise me in the least.
You said that people should not have lost their jobs to begin with. Pretty straightforward statement.
I'm wondering how you think they were supposed to keep that from happening. Also a pretty straightforward statement.
The reality is that all kinds of people are now working minimum wage jobs just to survive and feed their families through no fault of their own, a point seemingly lost on you and many other posters.
What I expect, if the OP's link is accurate, is that a lot more people will be working for minimum wage, not so much because it doesn't increase unemployment but because companies can get away with not paying a living wage.
This will of course ultimately prove the OP's link true (and may be what we are already seeing), since when more people start working for minimum wage, the unemployment rate will by default go down.
you still dont get it
the FEDERAL government should not be setting a minimum wage
1. its unconstitutional
2. they can never set it for ALL
a 'living' wage here in new york would be around $25/hr MINIMUM... yet you could 'live' like a king on that in mississippi, or probably new mexico for that rate
its just like the FEDERAL government saying that earning 250k is rich...maybe down south it is, but here in new york that's middleclass
So, according to you you cannot give those making $7 per hour a 50 cent raise but wuld have to give them $9 per hour because that is what they really want? Sorry that is not how I would run a business, give them what they deserve and since they are all making more than the minimum it is not an issue for you. Sorry but your logic just does not fly.
Casper
If you raise the minumum wage, it artifically inflates the wages of those making the minumum, and if you do not raise the wages of those making more than the minimum, it deflates their wages. That's what the other person was telling you.
If you make $ 9.00 an hour, and the Minimum wage is $7.50, and they raise the minimum wage to $9.00 an hour, are you going to expect that you are going to get a raise??
If you raise the minumum wage, it artifically inflates the wages of those making the minumum, and if you do not raise the wages of those making more than the minimum, it deflates their wages. That's what the other person was telling you. And what I was saying is that it does not do so and their example did not pass the test of logic. It would be the same as saying that because I got a better raise than you through normal raise processes that somehow you are making less than you were, there is zero logic in that thinking.
If you make $ 9.00 an hour, and the Minimum wage is $7.50, and they raise the minimum wage to $9.00 an hour, are you going to expect that you are going to get a raise??
The answer is no, no one should expect a raise simply because someone else is now making minimum wages.
One more comment in general, there is a big difference between a minimum wage and a living wage, we are discussing the affects of minimum wage and its impact or lack there of on unemployment.
Casper
The answer is no, no one should expect a raise simply because someone else is now making minimum wages.
One more comment in general, there is a big difference between a minimum wage and a living wage, we are discussing the affects of minimum wage and its impact or lack there of on unemployment.
Casper
So what has happened is your wages which were $1.50 an hour more than minimum wage, is now artificially deflated because of the increasing of someone elses wages.
This causes many people problems, especially employers of smaller businesses.
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And other studies, even government studies suggest the opposite.
