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Old 12-01-2010, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Religion might provide answers for those who choose not to question; philosophy only provides possibilities that often lead to more questions.
As I said, if they're only guessing, any guess is a good one.

If they say a 30% chance of rain, that covers them whether it rains or not. So I'm just as safe contacting a psychic and asking the same question ("will it rain in the next hour over the two miles of my trip?"). The answer is just as likely to be correct.

 
Old 12-01-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Wow, again, your first cause did not produce the effect in question.
In the example offered, yes. It did.

http://www.wellontheroad.com/illnesses/blood.html

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Since I've flown, and I've never gotten a stroke, I'd say your reasoning was faulty.
Since you think that is a refutation of my point, your reasoning is completely nonexistent.

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Your causes didn't even cause the effects. And your so called effects, were not causes.
In the example offered, yes they were.

Now, your turn.

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Old 12-01-2010, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Did you not see the question mark?
I did. But it wasn't actually at the end of a sentence.

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Can you create human life, without using human gametes? Heck, I was nice, I'm giving you a dead body, all you have to do is get it going again, Victor.
Not yet.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Ding! Ding! Ding!

Hurricane Charley, 2004.

The weathermen assured all of us watching that Charley was going to make landfall somewhere north of Tampa.

WRONG! Instead, it fooled those scientists and hit the very town I was living in, over 100 miles to the south.

Since science FAILED to predict the landfall accurately, why should I put credence in it?

You must be another one of those theists that would sooner choke to death than admit you are ever wrong about anything...I see quite a few of them here, even quibbling over meaningless minutia.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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I'm still waiting for TKRamar to provide a single example of a cause that is not also an effect.

And do you think that Calvinist ran away again?
 
Old 12-01-2010, 06:38 PM
 
Location: S.E. US
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I'd suggest a little education. Try reading Stephen Hawking's 'The Grand Design' and you'll see that a deity, ANY deity, is not necessary for the universe to come into existence. But of course, sheeple are afraid of education.
The irony here is that except for parents' faith in God, a child with Hawking's condition would have been aborted. Yet here is this brilliant mind that does not even realize that the faith he denies is the reason he is here.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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IF there is a god (or gods)


WHY can't it just appear , walk around, do a few tricks...ya know, PROVE it exists....

What is it afraid of??

Does it think it's too good for us...a bit elitist??
 
Old 12-01-2010, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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The irony here is that except for parents' faith in God, a child with Hawking's condition would have been aborted. Yet here is this brilliant mind that does not even realize that the faith he denies is the reason he is here.
Aren't you special? Somehow you think you know that Hawking's parents considered aborting him. Why would they? He was not born with ALS, but the symptoms of ALS first appeared while he was enrolled at University of Cambridge.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 06:56 PM
 
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Aren't you special? Somehow you think you know that Hawking's parents considered aborting him. Why would they? He was not born with ALS, but the symptoms of ALS first appeared while he was enrolled at University of Cambridge.
Facts don't matter to the pious, it's the thought that counts.
 
Old 12-01-2010, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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The irony here is that except for parents' faith in God, a child with Hawking's condition would have been aborted. Yet here is this brilliant mind that does not even realize that the faith he denies is the reason he is here.
What!?!?!

Besides the what sanspeur pointed out not all atheists would abort a child just because it had a chance of having a disability or disease.
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