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Yes, I understand Obamacare will in a few years eliminate individual self-coverage. I will lose my catostrophic insurance when that happens as will millions of others.
Is this true? I understood the opposite, that if one didn't purchase individual self-coverage that they would be fined....in any case, the Bill will be chopped, diced, reworded and reworked so much so that it will become unrecognizable. I am at least glad the Bill got a very strong discussion going and inspired action ~
If you really were poor & ill & couldn't work do you think you should have a death sentence handed to you because you could no longer pay & needed a transplant, for instance?
Does being poor and out of work(I meet both criteria) mean someone else should pay for my ingrown toenail?
Does being poor and out of work(I meet both criteria) mean someone else should pay for my ingrown toenail?
I won't even discuss this further with one who is trying their best to be funny about a serious discussion & won't even answer simple questions. Troll much?
Let's assume I meant Liberty Rights in my post. I see a clear difference in your explanation of claim and liberty rights. Well stated. That being said, it appears that claim rights in most cases require something in return
That is a very good point. I seem to have a memory that some philospher was of the opinion that amjority agreed-upon claim rights are the basis of civilization. A duty for every right.
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I have a right to higher education - if I pay for it
I have a right to property - if I pay for it
The right to someones labor - if I pay for it
The right to a lawyer - (good example) a claim right put in place to protect my Liberty rights
This could also be seen as your right to these things being accompanied by a duty to pay for them. Or work to maintain them, with money being an exchange medium for work.
However, some people feel that some things are sufficiently important that claim rights for them should exist. Basic education, defense of your property rights by police, etc. Some people feel that health care falls into this category. There is a claim right to emergency care, although you may be billed afterwards.
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In my opinion, insurance of any kind, is a tool for mitigation of risk. I buy homeowners insurance beacuse I don't want to own a smoking pile of rubble and still have a mortgage if my house burns down. Same scenario with auto insurance. I do not buy warranties on products ( insurance against failure) because I find it more cost effective to self insure against that risk.
Some nations use an insurance model for health care. Switzerland, Germany, and the Netherlands for example. Others find public provision more economical. Canada for example. The most common is a mixture, with various levels of care covered by a public provision and supplemented by private provision and insurance.
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I have a clain right to health insurance - if I pay for it. I don't have a claim right to health insurance if you have to pay for it.
Tax-funded health insurance links the idea of a right to health insurance to a duty to pay for it through taxes.
If you could leave aside the melodrama for a while,do you think that there should be restrictions in place on those receiving subsidised health care?
If the state is paying for your health care because you cannot afford it ,then I think people should be responsible for not running to the DRS every time they get the sniffles but, I disagree with cutting part of a benefit that will absolutely guarantee a death sentence such as telling a heart & liver transplant patient "sorry we are cutting your benefits because WE have decided we can't afford it" & won't look at the other options that have been presented to us. It becomes very scary to me that if you need the help in this country that a FEW get decide if one lives or has to die.
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uhh it isn't dull enough to prevent you from coming back now is it?
