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Old 01-22-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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Californians don't have a problem with the US flag being desecrated in the name of 'art' or 'culture celebrations', but they DO have a problem with a Nazi flag being displayed ...

... the double standard doesn't surprise anyone on this forum, now does it?
And some posters don't have a problem with bashing an entire segment of the population for what a small subset of that population does. Go figure.
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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In a lot of European countries the public display of Nazi symbols or Nazi works is punishable by law and I think that is the right way to deal with crap like this.
Unfortunately if he can't have his swastika on his window he'll find something else. He has been harrassing the neighbors for some time now, and they are moving because of it. Now he wants to make it impossible for them to sell or rent. This is the kind of guy that homeowners associations were born from.

There was a businessman in the Little Saigon part of Westminster California who decided to put up a North Vietnamese flag in his window. He wasn't losing business because apparently it was mostly dropshipped, but his flag caused several riots and an attempt to burn down his business. Symbols do keep meaning (and while the swastika had been used before in other ways the way you think of it on a Nazi flag is as a Nazi symbol) and can be used for hurt. I can see why in Germany it is banned. But I can also see why banning a symbol is limiting what to the US is a right. We can say what we want. It is expected we should know when not to, but the cost of denying the right is to go the other direction. Sometimes its better to let haters show themselves.

As for this malcontent neighbor, taking away his flag will just drive him to find a new way. I wish the neighbors luck.
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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Your house, your flag. If i don't like it, i can always move.
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Martinsville, NJ
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Does it strike anyone else as hypocritical that there are posters suggesting he shouldn't have the right to fly a flag to prevent her from selling her home, but there are many buyers out there who probably appreciate the warning that the neighbor is possibly a racist?

I'll bet the seller didn't disclose THAT information! Of course not, the sellers (and her supporters here) don't think the buyers have the right to that information and are trying to fool potential homebuyers. Shame on that woman!
Actually, there's no indication that the neighbor (the one displaying the nazi flag) is a nazi or a racist of any kind. Just that he's intent on causing this woman harm for some reason. According to that article, she put the house on the market becasue he has been harrassing her, and the flag appeared AFTER she put the house on the market.
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Old 01-22-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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Troll alert.
Nazis hated the commies
Nazis were anti-intellectual
Nazis hated gays
Nazis promoted nationalism = patriotism
Nazis labeled as traitors anyone who opposed war
You want to say you don't see America in any of those?
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Old 01-22-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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Nazis hated the commies
Nazis were anti-intellectual
Nazis hated gays
Nazis promoted nationalism = patriotism
Nazis labeled as traitors anyone who opposed war
You want to say you don't see America in any of those?
Nazism was a form of fascism, which republicans and most of the democrats have turned this country into.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:05 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Nazis hated the commies
Nazis were anti-intellectual
Nazis hated gays
Nazis promoted nationalism = patriotism
Nazis labeled as traitors anyone who opposed war
You want to say you don't see America in any of those?
Regretfully, I do... and as a Jewish American, that makes me incredibly sad.
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Old 01-22-2011, 11:14 PM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Californians don't have a problem with the US flag being desecrated in the name of 'art' or 'culture celebrations', but they DO have a problem with a Nazi flag being displayed ...

... the double standard doesn't surprise anyone on this forum, now does it?
No, because that doesn't really qualify as a double standard... to be perfectly honest, I don't even know what you're referring to, since it's not something I've seen here in CA. But the US flag has been used in artwork & cultural celebrations forever, and not just within this state.

P.S. I am a Californian, and said earlier in the thread I do support their right to fly it - seems only a few non-Californians here have spoken against it, in fact. As for the folks in the article, it's obviously more of a neighborly feud than an issue of free speech.
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Old 01-23-2011, 12:07 AM
 
Location: California
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Freedom of speech doesn't mean that the speech won't have adverse consequences
Yes. This is what many people forget. They seem to think that freedom of speech mean nobody can react to anything. Idiots.
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Old 01-23-2011, 12:44 AM
 
Location: In the Redwoods
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Yes. This is what many people forget. They seem to think that freedom of speech mean nobody can react to anything. Idiots.
I know, huh? I've walked past a few "Phelps-type protests" in my time, and I said my share of negative things to them... but not ONCE did I tell them to leave, or complain to the government about their right to protest. However, if they can exercise their freedom of speech, I can exercise mine right back!
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