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Old 02-11-2011, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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A 30 year rule by a dictator ?
It shouldn't matter what Americans want for Egypt.
The people of Egypt are tired of being oppressed, unemployed and watching prices rise for the mere basics of life. Removing their food subsidy was the straw that broke the camel's back.
30 year rule by an ELECTED dictator

so now the 'people of egypt' will go for a frying pan of a dictaotr. to the fire of the uslim brotherhood

do you really think that the hamas which is parts ot the muslim brotherhood is a good thing???do you view the Ayatollah Khomeini as a good thing, since he is infuenced by the muslim brotherhood????


and this very well could effect/affect america

remember this the muslim brotherhood, hamas, and the Ayatollah Khomeini all say this

1. That the laws of society should be made up only of the laws of God (Sharia), which cover "all human affairs" and "provide instruction and establish norms" for every "topic" in "human life."

2. Since Shariah, or Islamic law, is the proper law, those holding government posts should have knowledge of Sharia. Since Islamic jurists or faqih have studied and are the most knowledgeable in Sharia, the country's ruler should be a faqih who "surpasses all others in knowledge" of Islamic law and justice, (known as a marja'), as well as having intelligence and administrative ability. Rule by monarchs and/or assemblies of "those claiming to be representatives of the majority of the people" (i.e. elected parliaments and legislatures, and democracies) has been proclaimed "wrong" by Islam
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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would you guys be supporting this if it was 1% of americans loudly protesting the legally elected potus of obama???


why are you people supporting a coup???

why are you supporting removing a ELECTED person???? because 1%(or even 10%, or 20%) of the population is massed and protecting????is that what you are calling democracy???? mob rule withOUT the majority?????

would you really rather the muslim brotherhood and hamas take over eqypt??? remeber that the 1952 Eqyptian coup was supported by the muslin brotherhood too,,,or do you forget this???that brought on Nasser...who Having excluded whites and Jews of being Egyptian, placed the indigenous Coptic community under partial Dhimmini status, having ethnically cleansed Egypt of its European and Jewish residents, and having seized their real property, on 7 June 1956 the remaining corporations which had any European, Jewish, or Christian influence had their assets seized under a law which promulgated for the "Egyptianisation" of foreign companies and joint ventures. None of these who had their property stolen by the RCC or had suffered assaults, robberies, rapes, or murder under the tumultuous revolution were given compensation for their losses.
Again, this is NOT 1952. This is the INFORMATION AGE. Such dictators are on the way out - and we have 3 choices:

1) We can stand by and just let it happen
2) We can embrace it
3) We can continue to actively support such dictators and try and keep them in power - the result being that WHEN (not IF) they are overthrown we are closely associated with the dictator (as happen in Iran) and there viewed as an accomplice to the dictators crimes against his own people.

But NO MATTER WHAT - such folks are on the way out. Democracy IS coming to these countries, We can either accept it, embrace it or fight it (and lose - and in the process become an enemy of freedom).

THAT'S our choices. Sounds to me like you've chosen the 3rd.

Ken
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:49 AM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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30 year rule by an ELECTED dictator

so now the 'people of egypt' will go for a frying pan of a dictaotr. to the fire of the uslim brotherhood

do you really think that the hamas which is parts ot the muslim brotherhood is a good thing???do you view the Ayatollah Khomeini as a good thing, since he is infuenced by the muslim brotherhood????


and this very well could effect/affect america
Egypt will NOT end up under a radical islamic regime.
PERIOD.

Ken
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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the Egyptian army will not let radical Islamists take control of the government. Period.
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Again, this is NOT 1952. This is the INFORMATION AGE. Such dictators are on the way out - and we have 3 choices:

1) We can stand by and just let it happen
2) We can embrace it
3) We can continue to actively support such dictators and try and keep them in power - the result being that WHEN (not IF) they are overthrown we are closely associated with the dictator (as happen in Iran) and there viewed as an accomplice to the dictators crimes against his own people.

But NO MATTER WHAT - such folks are on the way out. Democracy IS coming to these countries, We can either accept it, embrace it or fight it (and lose - and in the process become an enemy of freedom).

THAT'S our choices. Sounds to me like you've chosen the 3rd.

Ken
sounds to me like you are for COUP's and the END OF DEMOCRACY

Since Shariah, or Islamic law, is the proper law, those holding government posts should have knowledge of Sharia. Since Islamic jurists or faqih have studied and are the most knowledgeable in Sharia, the country's ruler should be a faqih who "surpasses all others in knowledge" of Islamic law and justice, (known as a marja'), as well as having intelligence and administrative ability. Rule by monarchs and/or assemblies of "those claiming to be representatives of the majority of the people" (i.e. elected parliaments and legislatures, and democracies) has been proclaimed "wrong" by Islam


so you are against democracy????? you support coups, and mob rule??? and anarchy????
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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sounds to me like you are for COUP's and the END OF DEMOCRACY

Since Shariah, or Islamic law, is the proper law, those holding government posts should have knowledge of Sharia. Since Islamic jurists or faqih have studied and are the most knowledgeable in Sharia, the country's ruler should be a faqih who "surpasses all others in knowledge" of Islamic law and justice, (known as a marja'), as well as having intelligence and administrative ability. Rule by monarchs and/or assemblies of "those claiming to be representatives of the majority of the people" (i.e. elected parliaments and legislatures, and democracies) has been proclaimed "wrong" by Islam


so you are against democracy????? you support coups, and mob rule??? and anarchy????
What a bunch of bull.
They HAVE no democracy in Egypt right now. The election process has long been a corrupt sham and as such has drawn criticism both in Egypt and from the international community.

Ken
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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sounds to me like you are for COUP's and the END OF DEMOCRACY
I highly recommend you to stop relying on things you hear. Instead, start thinking. And the first step should be learning about... democracy.

The best case scenario might be that Egypt gets a secular, people's rights oriented constitution that revolutionizes and sets a benchmark in the Arab world. But the reality may be less pleasant, more along the lines of Pakistan, with a weak democracy with religious fundamentalists taking over and a strong military presence. Even that, will be better than the abomination people didn't want.

But then, your thinking led you to believe that Egypt under Mubarak was a democracy they should have been proud of?
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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sounds to me like you are for COUP's and the END OF DEMOCRACY

Since Shariah, or Islamic law, is the proper law, those holding government posts should have knowledge of Sharia. Since Islamic jurists or faqih have studied and are the most knowledgeable in Sharia, the country's ruler should be a faqih who "surpasses all others in knowledge" of Islamic law and justice, (known as a marja'), as well as having intelligence and administrative ability. Rule by monarchs and/or assemblies of "those claiming to be representatives of the majority of the people" (i.e. elected parliaments and legislatures, and democracies) has been proclaimed "wrong" by Islam


so you are against democracy????? you support coups, and mob rule??? and anarchy????

Ummm there was no Democracy in Egypt. That is what all of these protests were actually about....
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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I highly recommend you to stop relying on things you hear. Instead, start thinking. And the first step should be learning about... democracy.

The best case scenario might be that Egypt gets a secular, people's rights oriented constitution that revolutionizes and sets a benchmark in the Arab world. But the reality may be less pleasant, more along the lines of Pakistan, with a weak democracy with religious fundamentalists taking over and a strong military presence. Even that, will be better than the abomination people didn't want.

But then, your thinking led you to believe that Egypt under Mubarak was a democracy they should have been proud of?
I never said egypt was a GOOD democracy..though they do have elections

I never said mubarak was a good dicrator, though threre are plenty that are worse

but the protectors that RAE BEING PUSHED by the muslim brotherhood, are being decepted..the muslim brotherhood wants Shariah or islamic law


Since Shariah, or Islamic law, is the proper law, those holding government posts should have knowledge of Sharia. Since Islamic jurists or faqih have studied and are the most knowledgeable in Sharia, the country's ruler should be a faqih who "surpasses all others in knowledge" of Islamic law and justice, (known as a marja'), as well as having intelligence and administrative ability. Rule by monarchs and/or assemblies(democracies/republics) of "those claiming to be representatives of the majority of the people" (i.e. elected parliaments and legislatures, and democracies) has been proclaimed "wrong" by Islam


sharia OUTLAWS democracy AS WE KNOW IT
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Old 02-11-2011, 12:34 PM
 
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Ummm there was no Democracy in Egypt. That is what all of these protests were actually about....
huh

they actually had a lot of freedom compared to iran, jordan, seria
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