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You have been forewarned, this is not a game, not a silly test of debate skills and wills, it is the real thing. Two of my closes friends barely escaped death on 911 and several, well they didn't escape. One of the survivors still can't speak about it.
WAKE UP.
Many innocent people died on 9/11/01. That is nearly always the case when cities are bombed, whether we are on the receiving end or whether--as is much more common--we are dealing out death to other people. Ask people in Fallujah, Baghdad, Panama City, Hanoi, Hiroshima, Tokyo, Dresden, etc. what they think about 9/11 and they are likely to say "been there, done that."
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Not quite, but the president of Iran doesn't really run too many things in Iran so it's irrelevant anyway.
If so, that will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. If we say "good riddance" and shake hands with the victors we can expect only the normal problems from then on--in such an unlikely scenario.
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You offer me nothing, except for self-righteous whining about how ungrateful foreign people are when we do to them what they finally managed, one time, to do to us.
It has been quite now for awhile.
"According to one CIA analyst I spoke with last week, al Qaeda sleeper cells are embedded in most U.S. cities with sizable Islamic communities. “Why do you think 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta traveled to Maine the night before the attacks?” asked the analyst. The obvious answer, he explained, was that Atta was meeting with a “handler” to receive final instructions. There is no doubt, explained the analyst, that thousands of al Qaeda sleeper agents, including conspirators involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, remain in the country." WILLIAMS: Take terrorist cells out now - Washington Times
"WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military commander in charge of defending the U.S. homeland said Tuesday that he believes there are al-Qaeda cells in the United States or people working to create them." Al-Qaeda works to reform U.S. terror cells - USATODAY.com
I just want to say thank you to all of the folks here who rebuked the premise of this thread. Your voices contribute to our becoming a more peaceful, tolerant, and civilized society, and I, for one, am very grateful for that.
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I just want to say thank you to all of the folks here who rebuked the premise of this thread. Your voices contribute to our becoming a more peaceful, tolerant, and civilized society, and I, for one, am very grateful for that.
Yea, well, tolerances must be made a two way street, ya know....
The war against Germany was against its government, not against the religion it operated on or used to gather support (Christianity).
You know even Communist China has a state approved "Christian" church.
For some reason Christians meet at the homes of other believers in defiance of the state and risk arrest to attend these alternative services.
So the Nazis used the church,...and?
They also arrested, tortured and murdered dissident religious leaders by the thousands.
Were you trying once again trying to make the case that Christianity is totalitarianism's war mongering evil twin?
"More and more the people must be separated from the churches and their organs the pastors . . . Just as the deleterious influences of astrologers, seers and other fakers are eliminated and suppressed by the State, so must the possibility of church influence also be totally removed . . . Not until this has happened, does the state leadership have influence on the individual citizens. Not until then are the people and Reich secure in their existence for all time."
The Constitution supports minority groups over majority groups. Always has always will. Sharia=Islam, Islam=Religion,
No, that is a gross oversimplification.
Rather, the Constitution protects certain basic rights of everyone against the tyranny of the majority. There are some rights we believe everyone should get no matter who is running the government.
That's the whole point of having the First Amendment.
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1st amendment, as long as it isn't government sponsored it flies.
Now, they don't look at these court cases so much any more, they grew tired of it.
More like they developed some guidelines and established some precedent, so there just aren't that many cases that get litigated on the topic anymore. That's the genius of stare decisis.
I can pick anecdotes as well as anyone, but since you asked, the Tiza case (which is what I was talking about) is in settlement negotiations, IOW, the ACLU is forcing them to back off.
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Islam has their minority support groups in place and in some cases, even the ACLU backs them.
Yes, WHEN THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE LAW. You do understand the difference between the Establishment and Free Exercise clauses, don't you? I wonder. The ACLU will defend Muslims - and anyone else - on Free Exercise grounds. They will also go after the same people when they try to violate the Establishment clause, as Tiza did.
It's really not that hard to undersrtand
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I'm all for the atheist to go up against them, but they don't. They all the ones I see on c-d support. Beats all I ever saw.
It has nothing to do with atheists. And I think you see what you want to see, and not much else.
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pss: I forgot, "There are so many varying interpretations of what sharia actually means that in some places it can be incorporated into political systems relatively easily," says Steven A. Cook, CFR senior fellow for Middle Eastern studies. Culture and Foreign Policy - Council on Foreign Relations
Yes, it can. And so what. As long as the Constitution is followed it doesn't matter.
This is what I don't get. Why do a lot of America liberals slam christianity while not slamming Islam? Islam is much more fundamental and hardcore than any sort of christianity so why would you defend that if you're slamming christianity?
Read the posts more carefully.
No one here is defending Islam per se.
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