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Old 02-18-2011, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Bush just made education way more expensive!
Don't get anyone started on Obumo and health care. You will only make a fool out of yourself.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Look, there are those on the left whose solution to our education problem is to throw more money at it. As we see, most of it never sees the kids. The teachers unions do not care about the kids, it is clear. Their focus, as it should be, is to get the most for their members.

I think we are seeing the tide turning, it took an economic disaster for us to finally demand something for our tax dollars. I think we are seeing the death throes of the public employees union, and we will all be the better for it.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:33 PM
 
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Look, there are those on the left whose solution to our education problem is to throw more money at it. As we see, most of it never sees the kids. The teachers unions do not care about the kids, it is clear. Their focus, as it should be, is to get the most for their members.

I think we are seeing the tide turning, it took an economic disaster for us to finally demand something for our tax dollars. I think we are seeing the death throes of the public employees union, and we will all be the better for it.
Worth repeating.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Didn't Bush start that expensive failure called, "No Child Left Behind?

Bush had a helper.

Ted Kennedy and No Child Left Behind | The Education Front Blog | dallasnews.com

"There's probably not a better example of Ted Kennedy's skills as a legislator than his work on No Child Left Behind,"
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:42 PM
 
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This governor is taking advantage of the budget woes to attack and kill the collective bargaining process. And people who support socialism (want to bring everyone else down with them) support Walker!
So a 3 Billion state deficit is a budget woe

Public employees work for the people, not private corporations. Federal labor law specifically excludes
public employees from having contract collective bargaining (remember Reagan/air traffic controllers).
Why should the states be any different?

Do these State public sector union members know the money that was invested for their pensions,
went belly up during the banking crisis.
Do they not know their state is broke.

The WI public school system is not Harley Davidson which by the way almost left WI for good,
until they negotiated with their Unions: a total of 325 unionized jobs will be cut from the company’s workforce at its plants.

Here's another public sector dreamer who doesn't have a clue what's out there in the private sector:

Kim Hoffman, a middle school music teacher, said she and her husband, also a teacher,
would lose $1,200 a month under the plan — too deep a cut to manage.

“I love teaching, but I’d have to start looking for another job, period,” she said."

Does this person really think she can get a better deal in
the private sector if she quits, in THIS economy
or even get a job for that matter....
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Weehawken, NJ
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Kim Hoffman, a middle school music teacher, said she and her husband, also a teacher,
would lose $1,200 a month under the plan — too deep a cut to manage.

“I love teaching, but I’d have to start looking for another job, period,” she said."
I'm assuming this dim bulb trumpet blower didn't save for a rainy day? Another genius who thought the public tit would never go dry.

I hope Kim and her husband enjoyed the suckling session.
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:51 PM
 
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Look, there are those on the left whose solution to our education problem is to throw more money at it. As we see, most of it never sees the kids. The teachers unions do not care about the kids, it is clear. Their focus, as it should be, is to get the most for their members.

I think we are seeing the tide turning, it took an economic disaster for us to finally demand something for our tax dollars. I think we are seeing the death throes of the public employees union, and we will all be the better for it.
Spoken like true fellow a NJ'ian who knows
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:57 PM
 
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I'd rather we 'throw' money at teachers than at the military contractors. Teachers are our future, the military contractors are just useless bloodsucking slugs.
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Here
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Here's another public sector dreamer who doesn't have a clue what's out there in the private sector:

Kim Hoffman, a middle school music teacher, said she and her husband, also a teacher,
would lose $1,200 a month under the plan — too deep a cut to manage.

“I love teaching, but I’d have to start looking for another job, period,” she said."
But..But....these people don't care about having to pay more into THEIR benefits. its the fact that their collective bargaining rights are being taken away.
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Old 02-18-2011, 11:04 PM
 
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In the 60's the US was #1 in literacy.
In the 70's we fell to #5.
By the 90's we were #14.

And in 1979 we got the US Department of Education Everyone since Carter said they wanted to abolish it (all Republicans) and it just got bigger, and bigger, and bigger
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