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The focus on what unions are supposed to stand for, the policies they support.
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Originally Posted by EinsteinsGhost
No, but unions stand for what benefits the middle class. It gives them the voice against the ruling elite (or as Adam Smith called... "the masters"). Without such support, the middle class wouldn't only shrink but will eventually disappear.
The focus on where unions once stood, and where they are today, are two totally different animals.
Because of the bad things Unions have brought
e.g. Tenure, their motivation is now in question.
Private sector union membership has dropped. It is now almost all public-sector. They have a vested interest in big
government and big spending.
Unions in the public sector have become a shackle to the middle class taxpayer. Something that shouldn't go hand in hand when speaking about a "defender fighting for our rights", unless it has become corrupt. Which public sector unions have become. Nor is it admirable.
Tax payers have a RIGHT to control their state budgets.
It is probably the most important thing we can do.
The focus on where unions once stood, and where they are today, are two totally different animals.
Because of the bad things Unions have brought
e.g. Tenure, their motivation is now in question.
Private sector union membership has dropped. It is now almost all public-sector. They have a vested interest in big
government and big spending.
Unions in the public sector have become a shackle to the middle class taxpayer. Something that shouldn't go hand in hand when speaking about a "defender fighting for our rights", unless it has become corrupt. Which public sector unions have become. Nor is it admirable.
Tax payers have a RIGHT to control their state budgets.
It is probably the most important thing we can do.
When was the last time there wasn't an excuse made against existence and purpose of unions?
I don't think so. How is demanding more from taxpayers, by force, against their will, not dictatorial?
Try not paying your property tax bill and see what happens.
Fascism is not a synonym for dictatorship. Fascism is governance via/for corporate interests. It is why fascism has been at odds with union.
Unions demanding collective bargaining rights is no different than corporations demanding free speech. Dictators don't bargain. At this point in WI, it is the governor who fits that bill, and y'all his supporters.
It's a broken record thread after thread with these exact same quotes The overwhelming amount of people support the pro-americans fighting to keep the working class from destruction.
The unions have asked for ABSOLUTELY NO RAISE. They are willing to accept a PAYCUT. Something none of the corporate fat cats are willing to do. On the contrary, they have been given raises and bank rolled by Walker to the tune of 140 million dollars.
The fascists are doing exactly as they are told by their masters the Kochs. Raise pay on the wealthy, lower the pay on the working class and crush the unions.
Talk about exact same quotes, maybe you need to look at some of yours. You know like all your words about the Koch brothers. Surely we all know what your answers are going to be nearly word for word. You don't want to accept the 71% number from Gallup let me throw in a 67% number from
Rasmussen. How in the world do you think that since unions only make up about 10% or the workers in the US they can outvote the non-members.
Fascism is not a synonym for dictatorship. Fascism is governance via/for corporate interests. It is why fascism has been at odds with union.
Unions demanding collective bargaining rights is no different than corporations demanding free speech. Dictators don't bargain. At this point in WI, it is the governor who fits that bill, and y'all his supporters.
The same can be said about Obama and HC right? I also see you won't even touch the question that Informed Consent has been posting many times. How do you tell the tax payers that the unions want to raise their taxes to pay for union member's benefits when the public at large don't want ANY kind of tax increase? Can you answer that one?
And is that true going forward for however long taxpayers don't want to pay more taxes? Really? The public employee unions have agreed to put all future demands up for a vote in a WI general election?
Link please.
I get a kick out of Tempest talking about pay cuts when Wisconsin asks them to contribute a bit toward their pensions. They surely don't seem to understand anything from any source other than their union leaders.
The same can be said about Obama and HC right? I also see you won't even touch the question that Informed Consent has been posting many times. How do you tell the tax payers that the unions want to raise their taxes to pay for union member's benefits when the public at large don't want ANY kind of tax increase? Can you answer that one?
WTH has HCR got to do with this?
As for union members, they are tax payers like you. And like you, they would also like to maximize their benefits. And for that, they have chosen to form a voice representing their interests. This voice takes those interests to the governing body who has the responsibility of managing the budgets. The rest of the tax payers at that point have as much control over it as politicians deciding how they want to use, distribute and manage tax payer dollars. Or do you think I, as a tax payer, should have full control on where the government should spend the money?
The same applies to private unions. It affords a body to take workers' voice to the management. I've been on the side opposite unions through out my career, and have personally engaged on occasions. Ultimately, it is the responsibility of money managers, not tax payers or consumers, to negotiate.
I am saying they have outlived their existence and purpose - especially in Public Sector. NEVER ever
thought they belonged there.
That is an excuse used since the existence of unions. It was an excuse used in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s.
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The overwhelming amount of people support the pro-americans fighting to keep the working class from destruction. 
- especially in Public Sector. NEVER ever
