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So let's take a teacher with 18 years. She makes $41,964 a year. She contributes $942/mo for a family health care plan with a $500 deductable. Now, I know that somebody stomp their feet and say, "That's better than I get", but seriously is this so generous? Oh, and she's not the one complaining.
I have family members who have been teachers 18 years and they make 59k-62k a year-this is in Florida not the highest paying state by far. That's a 20k a year discrepancy.
What state would only pay $41k a year after 18 years???
I certainly wouldn't stay in teaching if after 18 years I was only making 40k a year! that's another thing-if your not happy with your job/pay get more education and improve your lot in life. Don't just stay and complain.
I'll say it agan, your on fire hawkeye!
Point 2 and 4 are imparative!
I do hear many educators complaining about their "low salary."
My brother and sister-in-law are teachers and they work 7 1/2 hour days with an hour for planning. They get a lot of days off; so many holidays, spring break, Christmas (weeks), New Years, Thanksgiving, and many more. Besides the entire summer.
They both are happy in their jobs (high school) feel secure and content. They don't feel ultra stressed by the job, in fear of losing their job due to the economy, or getting a "pay cut" like so many these days.
Teachers have a pretty good deal and that is why so many people want into the profession.
In a recent thread post on my local CD forum, there were two questions from single people in their mid-20's asking if they could afford to live in this area (suburban D.C.) on salaries of $65k and $75k. With 18 years of teaching I'm not making $75k, but nobody said to these OPs, "Whoa! $65k? $75k? Who are you robbing? You are getting paid way too much!"
Now, do they deserve their pay? Sure. I understand free market, private company, etc. But don't in one breath tell me I'm making too much when at the same time you are telling someone else who is making more they "may need to budget a bit".
According to CD, the average adjusted gross income for the zip code in which my school lies was $71,281 in '05. In 2009, the median house/condo value was $390,033. What would a fair salary be for a teacher with 10 years experience? 20 years?
1. Teachers in the public sector are paid more than teachers in the parochial school system.
Teachers in the parochial school also have more involved parents and smaller class sizes.
2. Teachers know the income they will earn and chose their career.
and many chose their career knowing they wouldn't get screwed when they get to retirement age, thus making the income they make justifiable.
3. Your anecdote of a kid bullying an older teacher is an anecdote. In our parochial high school, that student would have been laid out by the friendly school security and fellow students. Thugs need to be expelled. That problem to which you refer is the problem with schools today- no discipline courtesy of the teacher's union and the trial lawyer's association.
In your parochial school. Thats an anecdote too. With no evidence. Odds are the kids parents would have money to fight the school too in your parochial school.
4. Live within your means during your working life and you will be able to save. Everyone today lives like a millionaire, as they feel they deserve it. There are people in our neighborhood who make one tenth my income, yet live at the same level. Live within your means.
Everyone does not live like a millionaire. This is hyperbole. Your example of people in your neighborhood is anecdotal. Just as weak as you accuse my evidence of being.
5. People can still work after 65. I certainly plan on doing so (if I survive to that age). My father is 82 and still works. Work is good for you and keeps a sharp mind, maintains interaction with other adults, and keeps one fit. Retirement is a curse and a death sentence.
I don't dispute that work can be beneficial if not in a hazardous environment. I'm arguing that at a certain age you cannot perform jobs to the same degree as you could when you were younger.
How would your father be able to teach a class of 3rd graders, grade all their papers, manage them at recess, etc? How do you think he'd be able to function as a police officer? Is he as strong as he was in his 30s? Your anecdote holds little value.
I agree that work can be good, however you're generalizing for all work. If a teacher's too old, they lose classroom management ability and respect from kids, especially kids who have parents that don't give a crap, thus the point of the video I posted. If a firefighter is to old, can their body manage the heavy lifting they may need to do?
Then go back to my previous post. 50s or 60s, and a career change? Who's going to hire them? Especially in this economy. Odds are it will be a low paying service sector job.
My brother and I were playing golf in Florida about ten years ago with a retired fire fighter from New York. The guy was 54 and was living in a very nice area. We asked him how the hell he could afford to live where he was living and how he could be retired at such a young age. He revealed that his "pension" allowed him to retire two years earlier at a lifetime salary of $95K per year with built in increases for inflation.
Anecdotal. However how much would you want to be paid if your job might include having to run into collapsing buildings? They don't have to be skyscrapers to collapse and kill you. Of course, if you want you can just opt out of fire and police service if you don't want to pay the tab. Worked out good for that guy in TN where the fire department arrived and let his house burn down because he didn't pay the fee.
That is where the tax dollars of the cities, states, and feds are going. Do you realize that at a 5% return that it takes $2 million to generate that annual revenue?
Let public employees fund their retirement as the rest of us do- by saving and investing.
Then pay them enough so they can save and invest. Like I already stated about teacher salaries, barely enough for student loans and rent. Not enough for savings. One accident or illness and you're wiped out. The benefits justify these salaries.
I have family members who have been teachers 18 years and they make 59k-62k a year-this is in Florida not the highest paying state by far. That's a 20k a year discrepancy.
What state would only pay $41k a year after 18 years???
I certainly wouldn't stay in teaching if after 18 years I was only making 40k a year! that's another thing-if your not happy with your job/pay get more education and improve your lot in life. Don't just stay and complain.
That's my point. People are making blanket statements and have these thoughts that teachers all over have these great pay structures and benefits. It is pretty common. This is the system where a relative of mine works, and they aren't complaining, you are:
In a recent thread post on my local CD forum, there were two questions from single people in their mid-20's asking if they could afford to live in this area (suburban D.C.) on salaries of $65k and $75k. With 18 years of teaching I'm not making $75k, but nobody said to these OPs, "Whoa! $65k? $75k? Who are you robbing? You are getting paid way too much!"
Now, do they deserve their pay? Sure. I understand free market, private company, etc. But don't in one breath tell me I'm making too much when at the same time you are telling someone else who is making more they "may need to budget a bit".
According to CD, the average adjusted gross income for the zip code in which my school lies was $71,281 in '05. In 2009, the median house/condo value was $390,033. What would a fair salary be for a teacher with 10 years experience? 20 years?
Wait. Did you answer my question as to what state only pays teachers 40k after 18 years?
I never sayed 65k or 75k was being payed to much although it good pay for the hours and work involved.
Frankly I guess we see it differently, I don't think one looks at the cost of housing in an area to gauge a fair pay for a job. I think it is whatever the market will bear. Is is supply and demand like most jobs. If a teacher is making 75k and has a spouse who makes around the same then they should actually be able to afford a home in the scenario you suggested.
Why do people believe they are owed a certain standard of living? If one is disatisfied with their job or pay then I would think they would take steps to make changes to secure the skills to move upward. If the teaching profession does not get you to where you desire to go then find a way to improve this. But i don't think people should feel they are owed anything.
The only government employees that should get a pension for life, are career military personnel, with over 25 years of service to our nation.
Small price to pay, for our freedom and safety.
All others should feel privileged to serve our nation in a government capacity. When they are done, we are done with them.
You meant to include firefighters and police officers, did you not? They also put their lives on the line daily, while many in the military will never come close to being in harms way. Maybe only those soldiers who have been on the front line deserve a lifetime of retirement pay on the backs of taxpayers, if you want to get technical.
Are you serious? You are seriously going to go from "100% benefits paid" to "$100 covered by the board" and still say that it is too much?
They are called benefits for a reason my friend, and I really don't think that the school board covering $100 in retirement is any great perk. The idea comes from the fact that compared to the private sector, our salaries are lower. The benefits help to make up for that. And trust me, here in VA, we do make lower salaries than the private sector.
So, to clarify, you are a public sector employee and the only benefits you will receive upon retirement is a $100 contribution towards your health care costs? I find that difficult to believe. Virginia has a state employee pension system which, up until now, was 100% funded by the state.
I have family members who have been teachers 18 years and they make 59k-62k a year-this is in Florida not the highest paying state by far. That's a 20k a year discrepancy.
What state would only pay $41k a year after 18 years???
I certainly wouldn't stay in teaching if after 18 years I was only making 40k a year! that's another thing-if your not happy with your job/pay get more education and improve your lot in life. Don't just stay and complain.
I don't think the poster was complaining. More like defending against people like you.
The only government employees that should get a pension for life, are career military personnel...All others should feel privileged to serve our nation in a government capacity. When they are done, we are done with them.
Why the military? They are no longer conscripted, it's a volunteer military...and furthermore, do you think every single soldier actually is on the front lines? Why should military doctors, supply clerks or analysts who never leave the mainland US get a free pension?
Yeah, let's be done with these public servants: NYPD MEMORIAL FDNY Memorial P.O. Ramon Suarez NYPD
This second video takes over an hour...I know you won't have time for it, the recitation of the list of those who gave their lives is far too long. Listen to the radio transmissions. Would you have the guts to do these jobs?
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Completely agree...
Of course you do....RIP to those heroes who have given their lives and to those who continue to place their lives on the lines for ingrates.
I'm sure they are and were nothing but liberals, looking for handouts....
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"That's better than I get", but seriously is this so generous? Oh, and she's not the one complaining.
