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Old 03-12-2011, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Maine
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The tax paying thing seems to cause enormous confusion for many people. LOL
Only for about 53% of Americans (the ones who pay tax). The rest (47%) figured out very quickly that they don't pay a cent.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:13 PM
 
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Your erstwhile tax dollars cease to be yours the moment you send a check to Uncle Sam.
I have never "sent them a check." They take the money without my consent.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:17 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that the 47% or so of Americans who pay ZERO federal income tax are not "members" of America and therefore have no say?
I'm for that.

The recipient class should not have a voice.

But, alas, the constitution giveth and it taketh away!
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:20 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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LOL. when exactly did you forget we the people are the government?
I would imagine the forgetting occurs when the two clones we get to "choose" from in an election both do the same thing: ignore the taxpayer, make government bigger and less responsive, and spend, spend, spend, spend, spend........
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Fort Worthless, Texastan
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OP is right on the money. I say let the conservatives and libertarians stop paying taxes, since they want all of "their" money in their pocket. In exchange, they can't use any public roads, use any police or fire services, take any public transit, walk on public sidewalks, stand under public streetlights at night... et cetera.

The fact of the matter is, taxes are the dues that we pay for the privilege of living in a (semi-)civilized society, with civilized infrastructure. Ain't no getting around that. Thom Hartmann wrote about this in one of his books a few years ago, in fact. His analogy was basically you walking into a 7-11 with a dollar in your pocket. You grab a Hershey bar and bite into it. That Hershey bar is now yours, and the dollar now belongs to 7-11. The roads you drive on, the sidewalks you walk on, the police and fire protecting you, all that kind of stuff... it's services you get living day to day, that are paid for by the money you OWE the GOVERNMENT for USING the services. Period. If you use public services, roads being the most prevalent, that tax money is NOT yours. It's what you owe for using the services you receive.
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Old 03-12-2011, 09:57 PM
 
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Are you suggesting that the 47% or so of Americans who pay ZERO federal income tax are not "members" of America and therefore have no say?
INCOME TAX, everyone pays some sort of tax.
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Old 03-13-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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INCOME TAX, everyone pays some sort of tax.
I might add, as reactionaries are oft to state, that the taxes payed by the "tax paying 50% are passed on to those who don't.
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Old 03-13-2011, 12:05 PM
 
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LOL. when exactly did you forget we the people are the government?
Actually, the people are not the government. Read the actual Constitution not the tea party edition.

The government is a separate entity all together, it governs through the consent of the governed which by definition, syntax and common grammatical usage indicates that they are two separate entities.
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Old 03-13-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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I would imagine the forgetting occurs when the two clones we get to "choose" from in an election both do the same thing: ignore the taxpayer, make government bigger and less responsive, and spend, spend, spend, spend, spend........
They may be ignoring you, and probably for good reasons, but they are obviously listening to the majority of the constituents since the majority elect them into office. The fact that you have only "two clones" to "choose" from is whose fault?
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Old 03-13-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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OP is right on the money. I say let the conservatives and libertarians stop paying taxes, since they want all of "their" money in their pocket. In exchange, they can't use any public roads, use any police or fire services, take any public transit, walk on public sidewalks, stand under public streetlights at night... et cetera.

The fact of the matter is, taxes are the dues that we pay for the privilege of living in a (semi-)civilized society, with civilized infrastructure. Ain't no getting around that. Thom Hartmann wrote about this in one of his books a few years ago, in fact. His analogy was basically you walking into a 7-11 with a dollar in your pocket. You grab a Hershey bar and bite into it. That Hershey bar is now yours, and the dollar now belongs to 7-11. The roads you drive on, the sidewalks you walk on, the police and fire protecting you, all that kind of stuff... it's services you get living day to day, that are paid for by the money you OWE the GOVERNMENT for USING the services. Period. If you use public services, roads being the most prevalent, that tax money is NOT yours. It's what you owe for using the services you receive.

In case you hadn't noticed, our wonderful infrastructure is in shambles because all the tax money is being used to subsidize everyone BUT the taxpayers.
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