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Old 03-18-2011, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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How can I defend him? Let me count the ways. . .
  1. January 29, 2009: Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
  2. February 4, 2009: Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act
  3. February 11, 2009: DTV Delay Act
  4. February 17, 2009: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
  5. March 30, 2009: Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009
  6. April 21, 2009: Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act
  7. May 20, 2009: Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act
  8. May 20, 2009: Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009
  9. May 22, 2009: Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act of 2009
  10. May 22, 2009: Weapon Systems Acquisition Reform Act of 2009
  11. June 22, 2009: Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act
  12. June 30, 2009: Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2009
  13. August 6, 2009: Cash For Clunkers Extension Act
  14. October 15, 2009: Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2009
  15. October 19, 2009: Foreign Evidence Request Efficiency Act of 2009
  16. October 22, 2009: Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Veterans_Health_Care_Budget_Reform_and_Transparenc y_Act - broken link)
  17. October 28, 2009: Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act
  18. October 30, 2009: Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act
  19. November 6, 2009: Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009
  20. November 11, 2009: Military Spouses Residency Relief Act
  21. December 15, 2009: No Social Security Benefits for Prisoners Act of 2009
  22. December 22, 2009: Human Rights Enforcement Act of 2009
  23. January 27, 2010: Emergency Aid to American Survivors of Haiti Earthquake Act
  24. February 16, 2010: Nuclear Forensics and Attribution Act
  25. February 27, 2010: Social Security Disability Applicants' Access to Professional Representation Act of 2010
  26. March 4, 2010: Travel Promotion Act
  27. March 18, 2010: Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act (HIRE Act)
  28. March 18, 2010: Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2009 (Division B) Reestablished "pay-as-you-go"
  29. March 23, 2010: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
  30. March 30, 2010: Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010
  31. March 31, 2010: Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009
  32. April 7, 2010 Prevent Deceptive Census Look Alike Mailings Act
  33. May 5, 2010: Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010
  34. May 17, 2010: Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act
  35. May 24, 2010: Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009
  36. May 27, 2010: Federal Judiciary Administrative Improvements Act of 2010
  37. June 9, 2010: Special Agent Samuel Hicks Families of Fallen Heroes Act
  38. June 25, 2010: Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
  39. July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010
  40. July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010
  41. July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010
  42. July 7, 2010: Formaldehyde Standards for Composite Wood Products Act
  43. July 21, 2010: Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
  44. July 22, 2010: Improper Payments Elimination and Recovery Act of 2010
  45. July 27, 2010: Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act of 2010
  46. August 3, 2010: Fair Sentencing Act of 2010
  47. August 10, 2010: SPEECH Act of 2010
  48. August 10, 2010: Cell Phone Contraband Act of 2010
  49. August 11, 2010: United States Manufacturing Enhancement Act of 2010
  50. September 27, 2010: Mandatory Price Reporting Act of 2010
  51. September 27, 2010: Small Business Jobs and Credit Act of 2010
  52. September 30, 2010: First Responder Anti-Terrorism Training Resources Act
  53. September 30, 2010: Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2010
  54. October 7, 2010: Reducing Over-Classification Act
  55. October 7, 2010: Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 2010
  56. October 8, 2010: Stem Cell Therapeutic and Research Reauthorization Act of 2010
  57. October 7, 2010: Security Cooperation Act of 2010
  58. October 12, 2010: Redundancy Elimination and Enhanced Performance for Preparedness Grants Act
  59. October 12, 2010: Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act Improvements Act of 2010
  60. October 12, 2010: Secure and Responsible Drug Disposal Act of 2010
  61. October 13, 2010: Plain Writing Act of 2010
  62. October 13, 2010: Veterans' Benefits Act of 2010
  63. October 15, 2010: United States Secret Service Uniformed Division Modernization Act of 2010
  64. October 30, 2010: International Adoption Simplification Act
  65. December 9, 2010: Telework Enhancement Act of 2010
  66. December 9, 2010: Animal Crush Video Prohibition Act of 2010
  67. December 13, 2010: Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010
  68. December 14, 2010: Asian Carp Prevention and Control Act
  69. December 15, 2010: CALM Act (Silly, I know, but this is one of my favorite ones. My ears and my nerves thank Congress and President Obama for this one. )
  70. December 18, 2010: Truth in Fur Labeling Act of 2010
  71. December 17, 2010: Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010
  72. December 18, 2010: Social Security Number Protection Act of 2010
  73. December 20, 2010: CAPTA Reauthorization Act of 2010
  74. December 22, 2010: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010
  75. December 22, 2010: Regulated Investment Company Modernization Act of 2010
  76. December 22, 2010: Truth in Caller ID Act of 2009
  77. December 22, 2010: FOR VETS Act of 2010
  78. December 22, 2010: Preserving Foreign Criminal Assets for Forfeiture Act of 2010
  79. December 29, 2010: Omnibus Trade Act of 2010
  80. December 29, 2010 Helping Heroes Keep Their Homes Act of 2010
  81. January 4, 2011: Predisaster Hazard Mitigation Act of 2010
  82. January 4, 2011: GPRA Modernization Act of 2010
  83. January 4, 2011: FDA Food Safety Modernization Act
  84. January 4, 2011: America COMPETES Reauthorization Act of 2010
  85. January 4, 2011: Diesel Emissions Reduction Act of 2010
  86. January 4, 2011: Supportive Housing for the Elderly Act of 2010
  87. January 4, 2011 :Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act of 2010
  88. January 4, 2011: Frank Melville Supportive Housing Investment Act of 2010
  89. January 4, 2011: Anti-Border Corruption Act of 2010
  90. January 4, 2011: Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Improvements Act of 2010
  91. January 4, 2011: Reduction of Lead in Drinking Water Act
  92. September 29, 2010: Treaty with the United Kingdom Concerning Defense Trade Cooperation
  93. September 29, 2010: Treaty with Australia Concerning Defense Trade Cooperation
  94. September 29, 2010: Hague Convention on International Recovery of Child Support and Family Maintenance
  95. December 22, 2010: New START
  96. February 23, 2011: Obama declared the Defense of Marriage act unconstitutional and will no longer be defending the cases in the 1st and 2nd circuits.
Any more questions?
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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Both you AND Hillary Clinton were flatass WRONG about what a 'Present' vote in the Illinois Senate means. You might be able to be forgiven for not bothering to take the time to look it up. Hillary, on the other hand, had no freaking excuse except that she's a liar, which is why I didn't support her for President over Barack Obama.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/op...th&oref=slogin

"SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON should probably be forgiven [though not by me] for not remembering the course on the state Constitution that she would have had to take as an eighth grader in Illinois. But had she remembered it, she would have known that Senator Barack Obama was not ducking his responsibility in the Illinois Senate when he voted “present” on many issues.

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". . .[A] “present” vote [is] the same as a no [vote]. If a bill receives 29 votes, but the rest of the senators vote “present,” it fails. In the Illinois Senate, there can be strategic reasons for voting “present” rather than simply no. A member might approve the intent of legislation, but not its scope or the way it has been drafted. A “present” vote can send a signal to a bill’s sponsors that the legislator might support an amended version. Voting “present” can also be a way to exercise fiscal restraint, without opposing the subject of the bill."
You will no longer have any excuse to accuse the President of avoiding tough issues.
I would'nt be so cocksure of myself there lassie.

"The “present” vote in Illinois is sometimes cast by state lawmakers with a conflict of interest who would rather not weigh in on an issue. Other times, members use the option to object to certain parts of a bill, even though they may agree with its overall purpose."


It can be strategic, but it can also be ambivalent. His actions speak volumes in how it is more applicable.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:34 PM
 
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I cannot defend Obama, but I'm not going to crucify him. He is not connecting with the population. It could be that there are no good solutions out there to the million problems we face. It could be that his staff is, like us, deeply divided over what course of action to take. That in itself is a good thing because it's better than under Bush2 where the administration had answers for everything and they were always the worst answers! If the people hadn't rushed to Bush2's side after 9/11, there would have been nothing positive worth noting in his eight years. Obama has nothing positive in his term to date but if he does something right by the next election, he will regain support.

Obviously no President is going to satisfy everyone. But until Obama does something I think is terribly wrong and it impacts me personally, I will withhold harsh criticism. We can do better, but the man or woman who would better run this country has chosen to never sell his/her soul to the banksters and elitists and thus will never be elected. So the blame needs to be applied NOT to the officeholder, it needs to go to the corrupt power that installs the person they can control.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:44 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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I would'nt be so cocksure of myself there lassie.

"The “present” vote in Illinois is sometimes cast by state lawmakers with a conflict of interest who would rather not weigh in on an issue. Other times, members use the option to object to certain parts of a bill, even though they may agree with its overall purpose."


It can be strategic, but it can also be ambivalent. His actions speak volumes in how it is more applicable.
Yeah, what makes you so cocksure yourself, laddie? You have a crystal ball that tells you why Obama registered 'Present' votes instead of just outright 'No' votes?

Didn't think so.

The FACT is, there's a REASON Illinois legislators have the 'Present' option, and it's NOT so the people who are ambivalent can get away with shirking their responsibilities. If any of them used it that way, it would be obvious and known and those jokers wouldn't have a career in the Illinois Legislature for very long. You'll notice that NOT ONE SINGLE ILLINOIS LEGISLATOR SPOKE OUT AGAINST OBAMA USING THAT TOOL. Only the schmoe running against him to try to score points with people who don't know any better. Any Illinois legislator who dared open their mouths about it would be SKEWERED for hypocrisy, because they ALL use it. And they know it's used for very good reason, and NOT because they're derelict in their duties.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:46 PM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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I swear, talking about how much you think Obama sucks is akin to sexual release for some of you people.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Southern Willamette Valley, Oregon
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I swear, talking about how much you think Obama sucks is akin to sexual release for some of you people.
I'm ejaculating as I type!

When Rahm and Hillary run away from your troupe (along with several others), you know somethings wrong.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:51 PM
 
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Yeah, what makes you so cocksure yourself, laddie? You have a crystal ball that tells you why Obama registered 'Present' votes instead of just outright 'No' votes?
Nope, no crystal ball; just his track record of lacking leadership skills.

Like MSNBC comparing him to Waldo.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:54 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Many of us are disappointed in Obama. However, the alternatives are frightening. Bachmann, Palin, Gingrich, Huckabee...therefore, Obama is a likely bet for re-election.
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Old 03-18-2011, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Nope, no crystal ball; just his track record of lacking leadership skills.

Like MSNBC comparing him to Waldo.
Oh yeah, his track record shows such a lack of leadership. It takes a special kind of blindness to continue to make such an absurd claim in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, right here in this very thread, no less. . .
  1. January 29, 2009: Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
  2. February 4, 2009: Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act
  3. February 11, 2009: DTV Delay Act
  4. February 17, 2009: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
  5. March 30, 2009: Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009
  6. April 21, 2009: Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act
  7. May 20, 2009: Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act
  8. May 20, 2009: Helping Families Save Their Homes Act of 2009
  9. May 22, 2009: Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act of 2009
  10. May 22, 2009: Weapon Systems Acquisition Reform Act of 2009
  11. June 22, 2009: Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act
  12. June 30, 2009: Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2009
  13. August 6, 2009: Cash For Clunkers Extension Act
  14. October 15, 2009: Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2009
  15. October 19, 2009: Foreign Evidence Request Efficiency Act of 2009
  16. October 22, 2009: Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Veterans_Health_Care_Budget_Reform_and_Transparenc y_Act - broken link)
  17. October 28, 2009: Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act
  18. October 30, 2009: Ryan White HIV/AIDS Treatment Extension Act
  19. November 6, 2009: Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009
  20. November 11, 2009: Military Spouses Residency Relief Act
  21. December 15, 2009: No Social Security Benefits for Prisoners Act of 2009
  22. December 22, 2009: Human Rights Enforcement Act of 2009
  23. January 27, 2010: Emergency Aid to American Survivors of Haiti Earthquake Act
  24. February 16, 2010: Nuclear Forensics and Attribution Act
  25. February 27, 2010: Social Security Disability Applicants' Access to Professional Representation Act of 2010
  26. March 4, 2010: Travel Promotion Act
  27. March 18, 2010: Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment Act (HIRE Act)
  28. March 18, 2010: Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act of 2009 (Division B) Reestablished "pay-as-you-go"
  29. March 23, 2010: Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
  30. March 30, 2010: Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010
  31. March 31, 2010: Prevent All Cigarette Trafficking Act of 2009
  32. April 7, 2010 Prevent Deceptive Census Look Alike Mailings Act
  33. May 5, 2010: Caregivers and Veterans Omnibus Health Services Act of 2010
  34. May 17, 2010: Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act
  35. May 24, 2010: Lord's Resistance Army Disarmament and Northern Uganda Recovery Act of 2009
  36. May 27, 2010: Federal Judiciary Administrative Improvements Act of 2010
  37. June 9, 2010: Special Agent Samuel Hicks Families of Fallen Heroes Act
  38. June 25, 2010: Preservation of Access to Care for Medicare Beneficiaries and Pension Relief Act of 2010
  39. July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010
  40. July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010
  41. July 1, 2010: Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act of 2010
  42. July 7, 2010: Formaldehyde Standards for Composite Wood Products Act
  43. July 21, 2010: Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
  44. July 22, 2010: Improper Payments Elimination and Recovery Act of 2010
  45. July 27, 2010: Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act of 2010
  46. August 3, 2010: Fair Sentencing Act of 2010
  47. August 10, 2010: SPEECH Act of 2010
  48. August 10, 2010: Cell Phone Contraband Act of 2010
  49. August 11, 2010: United States Manufacturing Enhancement Act of 2010
  50. September 27, 2010: Mandatory Price Reporting Act of 2010
  51. September 27, 2010: Small Business Jobs and Credit Act of 2010
  52. September 30, 2010: First Responder Anti-Terrorism Training Resources Act
  53. September 30, 2010: Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2010
  54. October 7, 2010: Reducing Over-Classification Act
  55. October 7, 2010: Twenty-First Century Communications and Video Accessibility Act of 2010
  56. October 8, 2010: Stem Cell Therapeutic and Research Reauthorization Act of 2010
  57. October 7, 2010: Security Cooperation Act of 2010
  58. October 12, 2010: Redundancy Elimination and Enhanced Performance for Preparedness Grants Act
  59. October 12, 2010: Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act Improvements Act of 2010
  60. October 12, 2010: Secure and Responsible Drug Disposal Act of 2010
  61. October 13, 2010: Plain Writing Act of 2010
  62. October 13, 2010: Veterans' Benefits Act of 2010
  63. October 15, 2010: United States Secret Service Uniformed Division Modernization Act of 2010
  64. October 30, 2010: International Adoption Simplification Act
  65. December 9, 2010: Telework Enhancement Act of 2010
  66. December 9, 2010: Animal Crush Video Prohibition Act of 2010
  67. December 13, 2010: Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010
  68. December 14, 2010: Asian Carp Prevention and Control Act
  69. December 15, 2010: CALM Act (Silly, I know, but this is one of my favorite ones. My ears and my nerves thank Congress and President Obama for this one. )
  70. December 18, 2010: Truth in Fur Labeling Act of 2010
  71. December 17, 2010: Tax Relief, Unemployment Insurance Reauthorization, and Job Creation Act of 2010
  72. December 18, 2010: Social Security Number Protection Act of 2010
  73. December 20, 2010: CAPTA Reauthorization Act of 2010
  74. December 22, 2010: Don't Ask, Don't Tell Repeal Act of 2010
  75. December 22, 2010: Regulated Investment Company Modernization Act of 2010
  76. December 22, 2010: Truth in Caller ID Act of 2009
  77. December 22, 2010: FOR VETS Act of 2010
  78. December 22, 2010: Preserving Foreign Criminal Assets for Forfeiture Act of 2010
  79. December 29, 2010: Omnibus Trade Act of 2010
  80. December 29, 2010 Helping Heroes Keep Their Homes Act of 2010
  81. January 4, 2011: Predisaster Hazard Mitigation Act of 2010
  82. January 4, 2011: GPRA Modernization Act of 2010
  83. January 4, 2011: FDA Food Safety Modernization Act
  84. January 4, 2011: America COMPETES Reauthorization Act of 2010
  85. January 4, 2011: Diesel Emissions Reduction Act of 2010
  86. January 4, 2011: Supportive Housing for the Elderly Act of 2010
  87. January 4, 2011 :Pedestrian Safety Enhancement Act of 2010
  88. January 4, 2011: Frank Melville Supportive Housing Investment Act of 2010
  89. January 4, 2011: Anti-Border Corruption Act of 2010
  90. January 4, 2011: Post-9/11 Veterans Educational Assistance Improvements Act of 2010
  91. January 4, 2011: Reduction of Lead in Drinking Water Act
  92. September 29, 2010: Treaty with the United Kingdom Concerning Defense Trade Cooperation
  93. September 29, 2010: Treaty with Australia Concerning Defense Trade Cooperation
  94. September 29, 2010: Hague Convention on International Recovery of Child Support and Family Maintenance
  95. December 22, 2010: New START
  96. February 23, 2011: Obama declared the Defense of Marriage act unconstitutional and will no longer be defending the cases in the 1st and 2nd circuits.
The list for what the Republican Congress and George W. Bush accomplished in EIGHT years doesn't even stack up to that.
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Old 03-18-2011, 09:09 PM
 
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Oh yeah, his track record shows such a lack of leadership. It takes a special kind of blindness to continue to make such an absurd claim in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, right here in this very thread, no less. . .


The list for what the Republican Congress and George W. Bush accomplished in EIGHT years doesn't even stack up to that.
The assumption you make is that these were good things.

The other issue is one where the vast majority of what you list was accomplished when he didn't have to have bipartisanship.

Anyone can push through their agenda with that set up.

I wouldn't expect someone who bows at the alter of obama to understand that though.

He is certainly setting a record at getting us into debt through HIS policies. Makes Bush look like a spendthrift.
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