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Old 05-01-2011, 01:54 PM
 
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The Sun Influences the Decay of Radioactive Elements


In spite of being located no less than 93 million miles away from Earth, the Sun appears to be influencing the decay of radioactive elements inside research labs on the planet.

The conclusion belongs to a new investigation, which was carried out by experts at the Purdue University and the Stanford University.

Think of all the things that have been carbon-14 dated and may be way wrong.


A good scientist, like any good accountant, can prove anything you want.
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Old 05-01-2011, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Sorry but this is an OLD arguement and it does not prove what you want it to. NO we did NOT just appear out of thin air, we Evolved, disbelief does not change that FACT.
Casper

Fact? I suggest you read the dictionary and learn what the word "Fact" means.

I know we didn't just appear out of thin air. That's why it takes way too much faith in creative scientists to believe that billions of years ago the universe just blew up and gradually formed humans. These stories are kinda like the ones we used to create in grade school.

Fact ???? You are creative.
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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The Sun Influences the Decay of Radioactive Elements


In spite of being located no less than 93 million miles away from Earth, the Sun appears to be influencing the decay of radioactive elements inside research labs on the planet.

The conclusion belongs to a new investigation, which was carried out by experts at the Purdue University and the Stanford University.

Think of all the things that have been carbon-14 dated and may be way wrong.





“It's an effect that no one yet understands,” Sturrock concludes.



...BUT EVERYTHING ELSE WE TOLD YOU IS CORRECT AND IF YOU QUESTION OUR SUPERIOR INTELLECTS WE'LL MOCK YOU MERCILESSLY!
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: California
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We know a lot but will never know everything.

But there is a difference between acknowledging that we will never know everything and assuming that means ANYTHING we want to believe is somehow equally valid.
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Old 05-01-2011, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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So does this mean Jesus rode dinosaurs?



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Absolutely. He had a velociraptor for his daily commutes, and he rode the brontosaurus over to the Garden of Eden every Sunday for a chicken dinner with Adam and Eve.
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Old 05-01-2011, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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They tested a portion that had been damaged and repaired during a fire it was in. The scientists testing it made a major mistake...
That is one of the hypotheses believers have floated for the dismal failure of the C-14 test. There is no reason to believe it is true.

That said... the shroud was a known hoax when it first came to light. The Bishop of Troyes, Henri of Poitiers, testified that he spoke to the man who created it and that it was a fake. When the shroud continued to be displayed, Henri's successor, Pierre d'Archis, wrote a letter of protest about the shroud to Pope Clement VII, recalling his predecessor's conclusions, and stating his own conviction "that the Shroud is a product of human handicraft ... a cloth cunningly painted by a man."

The Pope declared that the shroud could still be displayed, but only on the condition that a priest be in attendance to announce to all present, in a loud and intelligible voice, without any trickery, that the shroud was not the true burial cloth of Jesus, but only a painting or made as a form or representation of the burial cloth.
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Old 05-01-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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You may be right. Then again, you may be wrong. Nobody will ever know.

Putting faith in multi million or even billion year projections is quite risky. The entire process is based on assumptions that cannot be proven. And if one of the basic assumptions is wrong, then the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

I find this field of study like two grade school boys playing war with their plastic soldiers. It's certainly fun and rewarding, but it produces nothing worth anything other than a spirited debate. And if you can get paid a tidy sum for doing it, more power to you.
Science isn't about just "knowing" in absence of evidence, it's about proving. I know gravity works in proportion to distance because some one proved it, and many other people verified it. This isn't where some one looked into the sky and stated "I bet gravity gets less if you get farther away form the ground".

People don't have faith in science, faith is trust not provable fact. It's the definition of the word, from Latin fidem or fidēs. Get a dictionary.

Faith is like 2 small children playing that produces nothing important. If some one states scientifically this is what happened, and they can show it from evidence and hard factual evidence...it's not play. Same with conjecture, you can prove something important even if it doesn't produce expected results.

Science comes from conjecture. Many people see a gap, and set out to prove what's there based on what happened around it. Sometimes you prove what you think, sometimes you prove something different...but you can prove what happened through fact. Conjecture in gaps come from measuring the physical world and process in what happens today. It is how people figured out birds could fly and produce airplanes, how lightning works to bring about the modern world, and chemistry works in order to bring about modern medicine.

Faith is trust, it cannot be proven...but it cannot be disproved. I cannot prove that Jesus didn't exist, but I also cannot prove that invisible gnomes don't live underneath my garden...people can't prove either one true as well. Absences of disproof doesn't mean something exists. Anyone can prove why birds fly, or fossils exist (there are warehouses full of them) without a book some one wrote...you can go out and see the physical evidence in front of you.

Personally I see the research of a greater powers majesty to see how it works, and harness that potential for our good and the good of others, to be why we are here. Some people don't understand it it scares them them to no end. Running to a book that tells people everything has already been figured out 2,000 years ago when viruses were gods punishment, or epilepsy was caused by witches, or birds flew because god some how screwed with gravity is not an explanation...it's an excuse for ignorance and stupidity.

The only thing this entire thread shows is the lengths of desperation those who want to live in their cocoon of ignorance would go to in order to feel better about it. To take a link that was obviously mistranslated from English, to Romanian, and then back on a free software download site and claim it to reinforce their faith. I already published the original document that is a 180 degree difference, that people still want to ignore and in blind desperation believe the mistranslated version of it.

What it shows is the completely sad and pitiable life people live who are unable to understand the world around them. They need to grasp every flitting wind that might blow in their direction, even when it truth it doesn't, in order to keep their belief of their place in the world alive. Even responding with the truth is like spanking a retarded dog after it pees on the rug, it doesn't even understand what it did wrong.

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Old 05-01-2011, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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You may be right. Then again, you may be wrong. Nobody will ever know.

Putting faith in multi million or even billion year projections is quite risky. The entire process is based on assumptions that cannot be proven. And if one of the basic assumptions is wrong, then the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.
That is totally incorrect. We know the exact decay rate of hundreds of radio-isotopes. We can look at the ratio of three Lead isotope and determine the age of the Earth just from that, since those isotopes are produced from the decay of Uranium or Thorium. There's no doubt the Earth is at least 4.5 Billion years in age.
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Old 05-01-2011, 05:30 PM
 
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Seems like a lot of people are so eager to bash scienticts when in reality you benefit quite a bit from them. Medications, medical advances, machines through which you carry out your day to day living. All have some root in science.

If you're so eager to distrust scientists, I recommend you abandon use of all technology and become Amish or some equivalent.

Honestly it is like hearing a bunch of school bullies making fun of a smart kid for getting one question wrong on a test. Pretty childish.....
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Old 05-01-2011, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Science isn't about just "knowing" in absence of evidence, it's about proving. I know gravity works in proportion to distance because some one proved it, and many other people verified it. This isn't where some one looked into the sky and stated "I bet gravity gets less if you get farther away form the ground".

People don't have faith in science, faith is trust not provable fact. It's the definition of the word, from Latin fidem or fidēs. Get a dictionary.

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I know exactly what faith is. And people do have faith in science. People have faith that some scientists projections are accurate. There is no way to prove them, so you must have faith to believe them.

AGW and the big bang theory are just two examples. Neither can be proven, so you must have faith in scientists.

Yes, gravity can be proven. Over and over again. AGW cannot be proven and neither can the theory that man evolved from a one cell amoeba. The evolution of man is a THEORY and can never be proven.

Your issues with people who refuse to consider the evidence apply to both sides. Blindly following scientific theory is no more intelligent than following a religious teaching. Some choose to have faith in scientists, others have faith in their religion.
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