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Old 05-16-2011, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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The stimulus was created because of the recession Obama inherited, so blaming him for increased food stamps due to a recession he didn't cause seems rather disingenous.
I suspect you have no idea the true facts. The CBO said the recession would end late 2009/early 2010 WITHOUT any government interference (obama's failed stimulus). So you see, it really wasn't needed in the first place, it failed miserably to achieve what he said it would achieve, it took 1+ trillion out of the private sector to be distributed to favorite liberal programs and put off for a year the inevitable fed, state and local layoffs.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:24 PM
 
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Ahh nope.. I responded to you directly..

Ahh nope.. The recovery period began before Obama even signed the stimulus bill into law.. And the end of a recession is 2 consecutive months of growth in GDP, I know darn well how they work.. We had 2 consecutive months of growth, TWO YEARS AGO.. The employment growth also begin before Obama signed the stimulus bill into law.. The downfall in job losses again reversed before Obama could sign ONE bill into law.. It reversed so much so that Democrats were questioning the need for the stimulus bill.. You can thank Obama all you want, but I'll be still laughing at you for doing so..

ahh nope.. the recession was reversing before Obama signed the stimulus bill into law, and Obama taking nearly $1T out of the economy delayed any economic recovery that would have taken place. Well known economists like Alan Greenspan even said so.. YOU CANT TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE ECONOMY AND THEN EXPECT PEOPLE TO SPEND MONEY THAT ISNT THERE!!!
...yeah. Most of the stimulus was tax cuts and borrowed money, so you are wrong about your claim that it took money out of the economy.

That's a nice myth, though.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:26 PM
 
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I suspect you have no idea the true facts. The CBO said the recession would end late 2009/early 2010 WITHOUT any government interference (obama's failed stimulus). So you see, it really wasn't needed in the first place, it failed miserably to achieve what he said it would achieve, it took 1+ trillion out of the private sector to be distributed to favorite liberal programs.
You're acting as if the date of the end of the recession makes everything hunky-dory. No more problems, huh? Capital flowing through the economy, employment dropping.... I guess your ideology requires you to believe that in order to justify your beliefs.

Reality is that, as the economy has recovered recently, the unemployment rate hasn't dropped that much. So, your argument fails on that point alone.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:28 PM
 
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...yeah. Most of the stimulus was tax cuts and borrowed money, so you are wrong about your claim that it took money out of the economy.

That's a nice myth, though.
most of the stimulus was tax cuts, that were reversed due to other tax increases, and borrowed money.. AND WHERE DID THE BORROWED MONEY COME FROM? How about the $300B for FOOD STAMPS.. How about the billions upon billions spent to bailout the states and local governments for police? Where did they get that from? How about all of that road construction and spending for "shovel ready" projects? You see the part you liberals fail to understand is that if you MOVE when a project was going to be done, for example, from 2013, to 2010, the NET INCREASE in jobs is ZERO.. If the project took 100 employees in 2013, it would have taken the same number of employees in 2010. All you did was change the date, and then pretend you stimulated something that you didnt.. Even the CBO said the long term effects of the stimulus is negative..

Short term thinking, leaving problems for future presidents to take care of.. yep.. Democrats....

You pretending the money wasnt borrowed is just wrong..
And there are now reports saying that the stimulus package actually COST jobs
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../05/029042.php
Our benchmark results suggest that the ARRA created/saved approximately 450 thousand state and local government jobs and destroyed/forestalled roughly one million private sector jobs

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Old 05-16-2011, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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You're acting as if the date of the end of the recession makes everything hunky-dory. No more problems, huh? I guess your ideology requires you to believe that in order to justify your beliefs.
Recession come and go on a regular basis - most every 8-10 years. It's how one reacts to it that determines the eventual recovery.

What obama and the dems did crippled the recovery.

Learn the difference;

http://blogs.forbes.com/peterferrara...s-and-figures/
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:35 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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It might be a great slogan for the "Tin Foil Hat Crowd" but the reality is the number of food stamp recipients increase over 50% during George W. Bush Jr. terms in office.

Average Participation

2000 - 17,194,000

2001 - 17,318,000

2002 - 19,096,000

2003 - 21,250,000

2004 - 23,811,000

2005 - 25,628,000

2006 - 26,549,000

2007 - 26,316,000

2008 - 28,223,000

The kool aid tells me you forgot the add the increase in Americas population to offset your numbers.

With an average unemployment of around 5% Bush is still WAY better then Obamas average of 10%.

Obama now owns the record and Bushs record means zero because Obama has already set another record for next years budget for welfare pay outs.

Obama wins again, record food stamps, record foreclosures, record bankruptcies, record job losses, record car repossessions, record homeless.

The guy is just full of records.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:40 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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It might be a great slogan for the "Tin Foil Hat Crowd" but the reality is the number of food stamp recipients increase over 50% during George W. Bush Jr. terms in office.

Average Participation

2000 - 17,194,000

2001 - 17,318,000

2002 - 19,096,000

2003 - 21,250,000

2004 - 23,811,000

2005 - 25,628,000

2006 - 26,549,000

2007 - 26,316,000

2008 - 28,223,000

You kinda left out 2009 and 2010.

2009 33,490
2010 40,302

It took Bush 8 years total to get to your 50% and Obama is going to pass that in 2 years.

Way to go with the tin foil hat and kool aid theory.

Give Obama 4 years and I can see it being over 50,000 and that would be of course alittle more then the small 50% increase of 8 years under Bush and Obama would have done it in 4.

I can see the thief in charge doubling food stamps before we kick his sorry butt out of our WH in 2012.

How nice of you to leave out Obamas horrific numbers and massive and quick increases.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:46 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Seeing that Food stamps is a state program, maybe the blame lies with the Governors of those states. Out of the top 10 food stamp states, 7 of the 10 Governors are R's


1. Mississippi, Haley Barbour, (R)
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 20.7 percent (614,320)
2010 Total State Population: 2,967,297

2. Oregon, John Kitzhaber (D), Senate
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 20.1 percent (770,054)
2010 Total State Population: 3,831,074

3. Tennessee, Bill Haslam (R)
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 19.8 percent (1,227,600)
2010 Total State Population: 6.2 million

4. New Mexico, Susana Martinez (R),
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 19.8 percent (407,717)
2010 Total State Population: 2,059,179

5. Michigan, Rick Snyder (R)
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 19.7 percent (1,947,077)
2010 Total State Population: 9,883,640

6. Louisiana, Bobby Jindal (R)

Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 19.2 percent (870,407)
2010 Total State Population: 4,533,372

7. Kentucky, Steve Beshear (D)
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 18.8 percent (815,800)
2010 Total State Population: 4,339,367

8. West Virginia, Earl Tomblin (D)
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 18.7 percent (345,509)
2010 Total State Population: 1,852,994

9. Maine, Paul LePage (R)
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 18.6 percent (247,075)
2010 Total State Population: 1,328,361

10. South Carolina, Nikki Haley (R)
Percentage of Population on Food Stamps: 18.2 percent (841,816)
2010 Total State Population: 4,625,364

But when someone post that the Governor of Texas is a Republican and has created more jobs then all other states combined in the last couple years the hypocrites here always come back and say it has nothing to do with the Governor.

Nikki Haley for instance has only been in office a few months so how does she make your list? Give her time like you demand for Obama right?


The blame lies on many things not just the Governors.

If there are no jobs to be had and we surely know that is not happening in TODAYS economy you will see more food stamps.

If the stimulus has worked instead of failed you would see the point of Newts idea. Give them a paycheck and they wont need food stamps.

Remember it was Obama who promised 5 million new high paying jobs and ended up losing 9 million causing the huge rise in food stamps under his watch.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Gingrich promises to slash taxes, calls Obama ‘food stamp president’ - The Washington Post



Has a nice ring - paycheck, not food stamps.

Of course, Newt is right. Obama can claim another nefarious record in his list of accomplishments - record number of people on food stamps under his watch.

Record number of Americans helped by government safety net - Apr. 13, 2011



Think we'll be seeing this great accomplishment on the obama campaign trail?


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Old 05-17-2011, 06:01 AM
 
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I have no problem helping fellow American's that need help. But, the folks with food stamps, some of them are driving late model cars, putting assets into other's names etc.
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