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Funny how when someone presents information that goes against the liberal line, the liberal response is always something like "Bah!" "How ridiculous!" or "Give it a rest!" I was always taught that if you don't have something to contribute to a discussion, you shouldn't speak. Ridicule is not a contribution to the discussion, it provides no information. It is an attempt to intimidate someone into not saying anything in the future.
I, for one, would like to see all the information and analyses by proponents of all the sides, so I can decide what is plausible, what is possible, and what is likely. If someone would analyze the certificate and claim it's real for reasons A, B, and C, I'd love to see that too.
I am suspicious of government always, because I learned a lot over the past 30 years as an adult. The years have proven that NO politician has ANY integrity, ethics or morals, and the higher you go, the worse the problem. Although Obama may have been born in Hawaii, why wasn't a birth certificate provided before? There is always a reason, and it is always something that would really be damaging if it got out. So there is at least a chance this is a forgery, and it does no harm to consider the evidence.
And considering how much effort our media/government puts into distracting Americans from the devastating and declining economy, you'd think they'd be happy we focused on something small like this, since there's nothing any of us could do even if it were PROVEN Obama was born in Africa.
Bread and circuses yes, but a fake birth certificate? No. It's been shown,
affirmed, and accepted as sufficiently valid to allow him to obtain a passport and have access to information requiring a security clearance once he was a presidential candidate. Unless one is willing to consider a massive conspiracy that goes back to his birth, it's simply an issue of less-than-rational thought. The birth certificate will apparently have to be sent to every American, one at a time, before this nonsense ends and we truly are able to discuss more vital topics.
Bread and circuses yes, but a fake birth certificate? No.
Again, nobody who believes the President will address a single one of the points brought out by the writer of the citation, who presents a very detailed analysis and obviously has a background in document preparation as well as an excellent understanding of the technical points he very clearly describes.
Yet again, the liberal response is outright dismissal and distain (how many times can my point be proven by the "standard" liberal non-response?)--but not a single detail or refutation of a single one of the points that led the document expert to conclude that it is not only a forgery, but not a very good one.
Let's see, on one side we have an expert in document preparation giving a technical analysis of the document and describing a laundry list of points proving forgery, and on the other hand we have the liberal choir who simply believe anything the Chicago/Washington professional politician tells them, and won't address the issue at all. Who do I believe?
Again, nobody who believes the President will address a single one of the points brought out by the writer of the citation, who presents a very detailed analysis and obviously has a background in document preparation as well as an excellent understanding of the technical points he very clearly describes.
he's no document expert and using technical sounding words that actually have no bearing on what that person is claiming is nothing more than dress up to hide the fact that they are pull crap out of their rear end.
I've pointed to EXPERTS , CREDIBLE ones that discount the acertations of these morons.
BTW, document EXPERTS do not spend their TIME analyzing scans and images on the net. THEY go down to and actually the SEE The source:
In the case of the 2008 COLB - they go down to the Campaign office Like factheck.org did
In the casse of the 2011 COLB - they go do the WHITE HOUSE. A reporter did just that
REAL experts go the source. Pseudo experts, liars, anonymous morons and conspiracy theorist who are trying to sell books, spend their times analyzing a scanned document posted to the net.
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Yet again, the liberal response is outright dismissal and distain (how many times can my point be proven by the "standard" liberal non-response?)--but not a single detail or refutation of a single one of the points that led the document expert to conclude that it is not only a forgery, but not a very good one.
There is nothing liberal about the claims that birthers are outright morons, liars, scam artists, con artists, seditionists, traitors to this country, bigots, and racists.
Did you miss the links I've posted and in the OTHER birther threads where those "analysis" were debunked by CREDIBLE examiners?
Yeah, you toe the birther line becasue you rather believe the lie than listen to anything that goes against your right wing agenda.
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Let's see, on one side we have an expert in document preparation giving a technical analysis of the document and describing a laundry list of points proving forgery, and on the other hand we have the liberal choir who simply believe anything the Chicago/Washington professional politician tells them, and won't address the issue at all. Who do I believe?
No, you have a pseduo experts (many have inflated their expertise)...most of then ANONYMOUS, using big words, playing with an image online, that has been highly compressed instead of going down to the White House, to ask to see the COLB in person to analyze...
We have, experts in their FIELD of forensic document analysis saying that birthers claims are bunk
And seeing that HAWAII's department of health ACTIVELY links to the COLB that Obama has posted (psst, that means they prove that the document is real): Hawai‘i State Department of Health
Provide the chain of evidence and claims from the director that she personally saw the original COLB be copied and picked up for Obama.
So to make your story plausible (and your pseudo experts plausible):
Obama forges a certificate, posts it online.
Hawaii sees it online, knowing that they never authorized the release, still links to the document saying that its the copy they gave Obama.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense..
Why would Obama have to go through the trouble of forging anything, IF Hawaii, which OWNS the actual paper, could just simply copy a form to their forms and give him that? Why would he need to forge anything ,when all he could do is call up Hawaii and say "look, i need one of those COLB thingees and I need you to sign off on it"
that's where you ludicrous and birther claims fall apart.
Again, nobody who believes the President will address a single one of the points brought out by the writer of the citation, who presents a very detailed analysis and obviously has a background in document preparation as well as an excellent understanding of the technical points he very clearly describes.
Yet again, the liberal response is outright dismissal and distain (how many times can my point be proven by the "standard" liberal non-response?)--but not a single detail or refutation of a single one of the points that led the document expert to conclude that it is not only a forgery, but not a very good one.
Let's see, on one side we have an expert in document preparation giving a technical analysis of the document and describing a laundry list of points proving forgery, and on the other hand we have the liberal choir who simply believe anything the Chicago/Washington professional politician tells them, and won't address the issue at all. Who do I believe?
And on the other hand you have a vast conspiracy including the State Department and intelligence community. Who are you going to believe? I think we can tell. For what reason would those entities perjure themselves to further exactly what agenda? Socialist? Muslim radical? We roll our eyes because the disdain is warranted...anyone who's ever traveled abroad has had to produce a valid birth certificate, and understands that even more stringent background checks exist for the receipt of classified information.
Did you miss the post where it was admitted that McCain wasn't quite qualified? But keep playing...have yourself a ball!
Please show us where in the 14th Amendment where it says "ONLY for SLAVES"
I'll post it again:
I do not see a single reference to SLAVES. It says ALL persons. Unless you and I are not persons, then this APPLIES TO EVERYONE born here.
Get it? Of course you don't.
Nice cut an paste from a birther website that provides pseudo legal arguments, from a non-Constitutional attorney. 4 types of citizens? Care to point to us in the Citizenship laws where these 4 citizens are defined? Not some birther site, I want it from a GOVERNMENT site.
Sorry, but that is the claims of a lunatic. there are only 2 types of citizens, and has been only 2 types : Naturalized and Natural/native born.
Anyone who claims otherwise are blowing smoke up your rear end.
Candafreepress? There isn't enough laughing smilies in this world to know that CFP is the World Nut Daily/Naitional Enquirer/Star Magazine of the north. Sane Canadians do not believe the BS in that rag.
Wow, you're pretty much as ignorant as they get. the US Constitution is a Living document because it is not set in stone. It is constantly subject to subtle interpretive change by the courts and major change by the passage of amendments.
I'm disappointed in you, I thought perhaps you wanted to get to the truth, but you are just another spin master. When you get frustrated, you start with the namecalling. Stop being emotional and think!
Nowhere in your favorite amendment does it define Natural Born Citizen. It does state "under the jurisdiction of", which means subject to American jurisdiction (not British, as Obama's supposed father, would be).
I see you choose to throw away the very concept of Natural Born Citizen, but it remains a Constitutional requirement for POTUS, whether you like it or not.
We will continue to disagree on the interpretation of the Constitution. The Supreme Court wants to dodge the issue, but they will have to take it up some day - unless the Socialists succeed in making it irrelevant.
This shows the far left of what Obama submitted - supposedly copied from a book - at the curve of the inside edge is seen, but is not reflected in the word "Male", which is shown on a straight line. Can't do that on a photo copy.
This link has Obama's long form side by side with a long form of a Hawaiian born person the day after Obama was born. It contains a very detailed explanation of how this could not be a real document.
Things I noted.
The serial number on the upper right for Obama is a higher number than the person born after him.
The type on the far left for the sex and the hospital starts in different places. This may be to avoid the obvious curvature of the page if the type had started in the same location.
The microfilm vs. non-microfilm. Obama's form should be on file with the person born the day before.
The text that's below the table and above the signatures is missing.
The format of the signatures is different.
oooooh conspiracies within conspiracies, they;re all out to get you,deception and deceit around every corner,, doomsday so close.
With all the problems in the world it must be nice to have the luxury to waste your time obsessing over such a trivial and unimportant topic.
Suppose it is all photo shopped, so what,who cares
If we're going gonna be in lala land where anything is possible
Why not delve into something more interesting like Sarah Palins sex change operation or Limbaughs pedophilia problem
Beck's hiding something,Fox news is just a front for...
And on the other hand you have a vast conspiracy including the State Department and intelligence community. Who are you going to believe? I think we can tell. For what reason would those entities perjure themselves to further exactly what agenda? Socialist? Muslim radical? We roll our eyes because the disdain is warranted...anyone who's ever traveled abroad has had to produce a valid birth certificate, and understands that even more stringent background checks exist for the receipt of classified information.
Did you miss the post where it was admitted that McCain wasn't quite qualified? But keep playing...have yourself a ball!
Obama is the one pretending to be President, not McCain.
The agenda is New World Order, Global dominance, One World Government. Soros speaks openly about it, among others.
Perjury is telling lies in a court of law - we haven't gotten there yet.
Is it a conspiracy to believe Obama is turning his back on our allies, particularly Israel? I think it's plain as day. You might say, he is trying to make peace. One of us is dead wrong. Do you also not believe this government tracks our posts? Is that a conspiracy too? They are watching, they are seeking control of our communication, and the information available to us.
The Germans thought Hitler was benign, by the time they figured out what was going on, it was too late. I am not saying Obama is Hitler, I am saying be aware - and seek to keep this gov't in check and accountable, no matter who is in office, before it's too late for us too.
oooooh conspiracies within conspiracies, they;re all out to get you,deception and deceit around every corner,, doomsday so close.
With all the problems in the world it must be nice to have the luxury to spend your time obsessing over such a trivial and unimportant topic.
Suppose it is all photo shopped, so what,who cares
If we're going gonna be in lala land where anything is possible
Why not delve into something more interesting like Sarah Palins sex change operation or Limbaughs pedophilia problem
Beck's hiding something,Fox news is just a front for...
What is Fox News a front for?
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