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Old 06-09-2011, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It is as simple as that!

OK, so we no have you both agreeing that abortiopn should be illegal after viability. That is real progress. Too bad the rest of the left is resisting this minimal restriction with much gusto.
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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Clearly it isn't impossible, it happens. There is simply no law to prevent it. If there is please direct me towards it.
clearly it is impossible. have you ever researched late term abortion? do you know how many states you can get one in? do you know how many doctors have to agree before getting one? why would a woman who wants an abortion wait until it is harder on her own body to have a late term abortion if not for medical reasons? do you know how many late term abortions are done in the US?
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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Default life begins?

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Unless and until we know for a fact when life begins, the only humane thing to do is to give nascent life the benefit of the doubt. You don't have to abide any faith or attend any church to hold this position; this is a simple matter of ethics and of decency.
Unless you abide by a particular religious view, you very likely don't believe life begins at conception. If you are religious and your group thinking makes you think that life starts at conception then you are against abortion. It doesn't have anything to do with ethics and or decency, since the humane and decent thing to do is taking care of children that have already been born.

To ensure that each child is loved, cared for, fed, with a roof over their heads. To ensure they have clean water, immunizations, and education. Until we can make that happen not only in this country but around the world.....then and only then...do we need to give anythng the benefiit of the doubt. Until that happens an abortion is the ONLY humane thing to do in many many, many, many circumstances.
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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clearly it is impossible. have you ever researched late term abortion? do you know how many states you can get one in? do you know how many doctors have to agree before getting one? why would a woman who wants an abortion wait until it is harder on her own body to have a late term abortion if not for medical reasons? do you know how many late term abortions are done in the US?

Is that so? It appears quite possible.

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States with restrictions on post-viability abortions



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Old 06-09-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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OK, so we no have you both agreeing that abortiopn should be illegal after viability. That is real progress. Too bad the rest of the left is resisting this minimal restriction with much gusto.
you have reading comprehension problems? no one said anything about making adoption illegal. choice is about choice, adoption being one
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Does the Government have ANY business involving itself in the abortion issue?
Does the government have a role in deciding what is manslaughter vs. murder?

If you believe a fetus is a human, just a young and undeveloped one, then abortion is very much an issue for government. I am not a religious person, but believe it is absurd that a "right to privacy" position allows women to terminate a miracle of human creation.

Unless the pregancy is the result of a crime, the life of an unborn should be protected.
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:35 PM
 
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yes states have restrictions. do you see in your graph a place where they say you can have a late term for funzies? no only for medical reasons
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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You said women should carry to term because there are people out there that want babies.....they shouldn't have to spend a lot of money to adopt overseas.

Nevermind the fact that there are thousands of children in THIS country that need to be adopted......but they are not quite the size or style the prospective parents have in mind.

And FYI....a fetus is NOT a baby.
Your opinion, not mine. Anyhow, I don't care how much people spend to adopt children. I merely pointed out that if more children were to be born, the foster care system in the US is an alternative to killing babies because the parents can't afford them.
There was an argument earlier that if the children weren't killed in the womb, they would likely be born to criminal parents, abused, and even raped. I reject those statements and I also reject the idea that laws preventing people from killing babies while in the womb will force impoverished women to keep their children after their born.
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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you have reading comprehension problems? no one said anything about making adoption illegal. choice is about choice, adoption being one

Clearly I made a typo, read the post more carefully!
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Old 06-09-2011, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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yes states have restrictions. do you see in your graph a place where they say you can have a late term for funzies? no only for medical reasons

Very few. most have an exemption for mental health, wide enough to drive a truck through. Several have zero restrictions. So you are clearly wrong. It is quite possible to get a post viability abortion in every state.
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