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Old 02-19-2012, 11:04 AM
 
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Many men don't take it to court because the judges are extremely sexist wand almost always give primary custody of young children to the mothers.

I know a guy right now who is trying to get primary custody and he works while the child's mother does not, and not only that, he's about to be married to a woman who also works and they will be able to provide a much more stable life without welfare handouts for that child.

Let's keep our fingers crossed that he gains custody.
get real, most men don't go to court because they don't care enough to go to court. men that want their children go to court like your friend. again your friends working history and his new working wife should not and does not trump the right of a mother who is working or not. a father and his new wife do not get to become primary parents over a natural mother because they have more money then the mother. social standing and the judgment of others is what the court puts at the forefront of custody cases
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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get real, most men don't go to court because they don't care enough to go to court. men that want their children go to court like your friend. again your friends working history and his new working wife should not and does not trump the right of a mother who is working or not. a father and his new wife do not get to become primary parents over a natural mother because they have more money then the mother. social standing and the judgment of others is what the court puts at the forefront of custody cases
Like I said earlier BOTH parents should be equally obligated to provide the financial support for the child. If the mother doesn't work, then the child will grow up a burden on the taxpayers and if there is a working father who would want custody then of course he should be given custody.

In this case the father is about to marry and the mother simply goes through boyfriend after boyfriend. It's not just the issue of financial support but the father will be able to provide a much more stable home life.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:06 AM
 
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Fellas, don't buy the cow; milk is F R E E .

Just be careful so you don't get a post-screwing-screwing.
Ladies, if you'll note this specimen-- it's best not to replicate with sociopaths because you won't be the only one paying the price for his illness. It's best you cultivate a nose for sociopaths. And carry a can of bear mace.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:17 AM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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and just how can you make equal the differences? you can't. the obvious starting point for men is to make sure their sperm isn't going to cause a baby unless they are wanting one. simple. have the nads to get fixed if you feel so strongly.
Do women not need to make sure their eggs don't cause pregnancy? Women don't need to get fixed?
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:17 AM
 
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If a female doesn't want the responsibility/financial stress that goes along with parenthood, she can get an abortion and never look back. Even if the male wants to keep the baby, the female has the power to get an abortion.

So why do the males get no say? If a female can just walk away from the responsibility if she doesn't want a baby, a male should be able to do the same thing.

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By the way, I am pro-choice. I support abortion and I don't see anything wrong with a female getting an abortion if she doesn't want to pay for a baby. But if a male doesn't want to pay for a baby, he shouldn't need to either.
Pregnancy isn't a benign condition. No law lets you force your healthcare decisions onto another person.

Are you even having sex? Why is this an issue to you?
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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Do women not need to make sure their eggs don't cause pregnancy? Women don't need to get fixed?
Eggs dont get fertilized all by their lonesome.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:30 AM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Eggs dont get fertilized all by their lonesome.
Likewise, sperm cannot create a child on its own.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:31 AM
 
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Condoms do not prevent pregnancy 100% of the time.
Vasectomies do. So does abstinence.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:34 AM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Vasectomies do. So does abstinence.
Tubal ligation does. So does abstinence.
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Old 02-19-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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You know somethings have to be worked out. This is a complex issue and not every situation is the same. I think our society does poorly dealing w/ many issues that lead here. I have to agree w/ what someone said. Don't have sex.

If you have sex, regardless of protection or procedures, you can have a pregnancy. That is what intercourse is for. Babies. Whatever happens both people are responsible. (assuming this is consensual)

Ultimately, it is the woman's body so I think they should have certain say so's over their body.
Correct and incorrect. Unmarried singles do need to pay attention and have a comprehensive education to deliver that level of accountability. Therefore, denying that education becomes the fault of those standing in the way of that education.

As for married and married you'd have to incorporate divorce/ domestic violence statistics in your premise. Mature parents in the process of divorce often do make efforts not to dump their disagreements on the children. Thing of it is, had these disagreements been resolved fully the marriage would have likely been saved. Chicken and egg argument going in circles.

But if you'll note poor put upon persecuted males going on in this thread with zero sum game language- they're betraying their own ineptitude as a parent. So you're saying what about society made of individuals, and these individuals have a warped concept of family/ parenting?

Is it a parents "right" to emotionally starve their children & throw cash at them? According to the courts it is. Is it a parents "right" to use them as a tool to inflict harm against their "opponent"? Mad at the ex, they covert aggression aim terror at the kids, or go the passive aggression route with neglect/ ignore. Aggression (adults indulging loss of control over themselves) has no place in child rearing. Children being caught in power struggles or a mamma hobbled by 18 yrs of backbiting needs a legal shove off a cliff.
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