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The Nazis were far from respecting the Thomas Paine view of property. They were for private property as long as the owner did not get in the way and accepted the mastery.
A very progressive point of view, much like the communists were like. But what do I know? It's not like a family member of mine was forced to join the communist Party or lose his family farm.
Paul Ryan has been touting how his hero is Ayn Rand. The Russian born atheist who taught many of the same things the Nazis, Alister Crowley and Nietzsche taught. That is the all men are not created equal, that there are those who are stronger and more intelligent and deserve to be treated as hero's . The superman of Nietzsche and the Nazi's come to mind, the Crowley idea of do what thou will comes to mind also. Rand believed that only being true to ones one desire was right and that being altruistic was wrong and that the welfare state should be destroyed, and the government had no right to collect taxes form producers or earners. Ryan does not make a secret of this, he has quoted from her works as has Hannity touting the movie Atlas Shrugged that has just came out. He [Ryan] ran form a Christian who wanted him to read Luke where it talks about a Christian's responsibility to take care of the poor and sick. Rand believed that the "retarded" has no place in a society of producers and had no "virtue" [I wonder how Palin would feel about how these people really feel about Trig?] Rand was nothing more than a cult leader who pandered to the greed and lust of the rich and influential. Greenspan was a follower of Rand and we see where the greed of the financial institutions has gotten us. Rand believed that government should be relegated to keeping out of the way of pure capitalism. If you read Rand you will hear her in the ecos of Limbaugh, Beck [who actually says she was a great influence on him.] and other right wing nuts. Although Rand was an Atheist the right does not care because their greed supersedes their belief if they have any real belief in any religion. You can hear her in Gordon Gekko "Greed is good" Although she spouted to end welfare, Medicare, Medicaid and social security she too its benefits even though some of her true believes did not and some died penniless. She spouted that the Green movement was a hoax and that the studies that said that smoking Tobacco was a cause of lung cancer were lies, contracted lung cancer after smoking two packs a day. She died of lung cancer and took social security and Medicare payments nun the less. The was little more than a selfish hypocrite cult leader who had a following of people who may have and are changing our world for the worse.
so you are saying he is a progressive
like the mentor of carter/bush1/clinton/bush2/obama....brzezinski
progressive movement of the 1880's gave us marx, communists, socialist, fascists, nazi's, FDR, LBJ, carter, bush1, clinton, bush2, obama....all the same
H.G. Wells was of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and, it turns out, the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World). Wells didn't coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis," he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.
Once again: The German industrialists eagerly cooperated in the Nazi effort. Was the head of Krupp socialist? (Added difficulty - he was a nobleman.) The head of IG Farben? The head of United Steel's German division? The head of Bosch?
Here's a useful link about the major players in German industry meeting with Goering and eagerly agreeing to support the Nazi effort - this was in 1933:
The heavy hitters of German industry immediately threw their lot in with the Nazis, because rearmament was good for business, their fortunes swelled, and there was plunder and cheap labor to be gotten from neighboring nations.
Now, are you going to claim with a straight face that Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach, nobleman who married into ownership of Germany's biggest steel and armaments empire, was a left-winger?
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Meh, ever try drawing a square in one-dimensional space?
Ayn Rand was an objectivist. Their political philosophy is very similar to libertarianism. In other words her ideal world is a non-centralized government that is small and limited in its scope and nature.
The philosophy espoused by the Nazi's was one of a large and strong centralized government with a dictatorship that was broad and unlimited in its scope and nature. The comparison is silly and goes to show that whoever makes the comparison knows little about either philosophy.
Also anyone who knows anything about Objectivism (or libertarianism for that matter) would also know that the current state of the Republican party is hardly one that fits the mold of that philosophy despite their rhetoric.
Feel free to speak poorly of the republican party, but lets not act like it is due to the influence of Ayn Rand.
The Nazis were far from respecting the Thomas Paine view of property. They were for private property as long as the owner did not get in the way and accepted the mastery.
"Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving Germany's bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing Governmental control and interference in business could be deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the Government. Hard-pressed for food- stuffs as well as funds, the Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to Russian Communism." (Source: Time Magazine; Jaunuary 2, 1939.)
Adolf Hitler, whose National Socialist (Nazi) Party adapted fascism to Germany beginning in 1933, said: “The state should retain supervision and each property owner should consider himself appointed by the state. It is his duty not to use his property against the interests of others among his own people. This is the crucial matter. The Third Reich will always retain its right to control the owners of property.” (Barkai 1990, pp. 26–27)
As you can see, private property under fascism, like pure socialism, is controlled by the State for "the greater good" or the "public good". it is simply done so by proxy rather than direct ownership.
A very progressive point of view, much like the communists were like. But what do I know? It's not like a family member of mine was forced to join the communist Party or lose his family farm.
I don't think you have ANY idea of what communism stood for. And trust me, Nazis didn't believe in communism. Quite the opposite.
As for progressive ideas, if the push for private property and privatization of public services is it, then Nazis were indeed guilty of doing that.
The Nazi credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied...
Only if they disagreed with the Nazis. Otherwise, private corporations flourished under Nazi Germany.
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