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Old 06-13-2011, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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wow people like you still fall for the lies, the liberals(socialists) used to describe the fascists

right and left are used to describe DIFFERENCES

liberals (very left close to socialists) are LEFT of democrats who as common sense would hear, are RIGHT of liberals...those very same democrats that are RIGHT of liberals are LEFT of republicans

so to say left or right is just a description.....: "on hand you have this, one the other hand you have that".....I prefer the black/white extremes...in this end is the black color, in this end is the white color...inbetween are thousands of SHADES OF GREY

yes they fascists were right of the socialist liberals,,but they were very much left of our democrats or republicns

fascism is socialism with a captiolistic venier


fascism are very much left of our true democrats,,although slightly right of AMERICAN liberals which are a combination of socialism and fascism,,,all part of the progressive movement of the late 1800's
"According to the simplest left-right axis, communism and socialism are usually regarded internationally as being on the left, opposite fascism and conservatism on the right."

Political spectrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So endeth the lesson of thought about political spectrum's from pretty much everyone else in the entire world.
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Ayn Rand was an objectivist. Their political philosophy is very similar to libertarianism. In other words her ideal world is a non-centralized government that is small and limited in its scope and nature.

The philosophy espoused by the Nazi's was one of a large and strong centralized government with a dictatorship that was broad and unlimited in its scope and nature. The comparison is silly and goes to show that whoever makes the comparison knows little about either philosophy.

Also anyone who knows anything about Objectivism (or libertarianism for that matter) would also know that the current state of the Republican party is hardly one that fits the mold of that philosophy despite their rhetoric.

Feel free to speak poorly of the republican party, but lets not act like it is due to the influence of Ayn Rand.

Good post and spot on.

The GOP today has vary little resemblance to Rand, and almost nothing in common with Libertarianism.
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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"According to the simplest left-right axis, communism and socialism are usually regarded internationally as being on the left, opposite fascism and conservatism on the right."

Political spectrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So endeth the lesson of thought about political spectrum's from pretty much everyone else in the entire world.
That kind of thinking works for people who think they can draw shapes using just the x-coordinate.
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The Nazis were printing lots of money (something the Krugman Keynesian Klan would be proud of), and Ford would happily take it.
So would those who Nazis weren't quite fond of, but the privilege belonged to "the few" and Ford was one. Was Henry Ford a left winger?

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That doesn't change the fact that the Nazi party was left-wing.
You went back to parroting. Was Henry Ford a left winger?
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:35 PM
 
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"According to the simplest left-right axis, communism and socialism are usually regarded internationally as being on the left, opposite fascism and conservatism on the right."

Political spectrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So endeth the lesson of thought about political spectrum's from pretty much everyone else in the entire world.
wikipedia...lol. You guys are just trying to pin Fascism on the right because the Left already owns all the other terrible, oppressive political schemas and don't want this one attributed to them.
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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So would those who Nazis weren't quite fond of, but the privilege belonged to "the few" and Ford was one. Was Henry Ford a left winger?
People who do business will take money from Nazi left-wingers who implement Krugman-esque inflationary policies also.

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You went back to parroting. Was Henry Ford a left winger?
At times, yes. Populist according to the Nolan Chart.
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:38 PM
 
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"According to the simplest left-right axis, communism and socialism are usually regarded internationally as being on the left, opposite fascism and conservatism on the right."

Political spectrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So endeth the lesson of thought about political spectrum's from pretty much everyone else in the entire world.
Have you read what Hitler and Goebbels had to say though?
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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wikipedia...lol. You guys are just trying to pin Fascism on the right because the Left already owns all the other terrible, oppressive political schemas and don't want this one attributed to them.
Absolutely. All of us over here are trying to because....

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Old 06-13-2011, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Parroting something won't make it a fact. But yes, Henry Ford was a successful businessman, and a highly respected one in the Nazi world, especially by Hitler. Why?


LOL
because ford was a big time socialist, and anti-jewish

Henry Ford

Henry Ford announced his famous $5/day wage in 1913 which soon became the subject of a detailed discussion in "The Socialist Worker." Ford Motor Company was under close scrutiny because of their newly announced profit sharing plan that included a sociological department. According to Mr. Couzens, secretary of the company, the sociological department "will keep close watch on the manner of living of all employees, and those found using their extra money in an improper manner will immediately ceased to be beneficiaries under the plan". Ford, owner of Ford Motor Company, believed such plan would "materially improve the standard" of all employees. "The Socialist Worker" credited Ford with this insight.
http://depts.washington.edu/labhist/...ress/Truth.htm

When Henry Ford announced that he might run for president in 1923, the little-known Hitler told the Chicago Tribune that he would like to send shock troops to Chicago to assist in the campaign. Later in 1938, the year of Kristallnacht, Ford was awarded the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, the highest civilian award given by the nazis. Ford accepted it with pride, and Ford's company collaborated with the nazis as late as August 1942. General Motors, Standard Oil, ITT, and Chase National Bank (later Chase Manhattan Bank) among others also had major financial investments and collaborations with Nazi Germany.


Hitler also claimed that Jews, who were only about 1% of the population, were slowly taking over the country. They were doing this by controlling the largest political party in Germany, the German Social Democrat Party, many of the leading companies and several of the country's newspapers. The fact that Jews had achieved prominent positions in a democratic society was, according to Hitler, an argument against democracy: "a hundred blockheads do not equal one man in wisdom."

Hitler believed that the Jews were involved with Communists in a joint conspiracy to take over the world. Like Henry Ford, Hitler claimed that 75% of all Communists were Jews. Hitler argued that the combination of Jews and Marxists had already been successful in Russia and now threatened the rest of Europe. He argued that the communist revolution was an act of revenge that attempted to disguise the inferiority of the Jews.
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Old 06-13-2011, 01:41 PM
 
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wikipedia...lol. You guys are just trying to pin Fascism on the right because the Left already owns all the other terrible, oppressive political schemas and don't want this one attributed to them.
You're exactly right. It sucks to be linked to communism and Nazism at the same time. The liberals are doing their best to lie their way out this unfavorable situation.
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