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Old 06-18-2011, 11:25 PM
 
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These loons need to be stopped.

"On the heels of another halting round of talks on climate change, UN scientists this week will review quick-fix options for beating back the threat of global warming that rely on technology rather than political wrangling. Experts from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), meeting for three days from Monday in the Peruvian capital Lima, will ponder "geo-engineering" solutions designed to cool the planet, or at least brake the startling rise in Earth's temperature.
Seeding the ocean with iron, scattering heat-reflecting particles in the stratosphere, building towers to suck carbon dioxide (CO2) out of the atmosphere, and erecting a giant sunshade in space are all on the examining table."
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:14 AM
 
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Got contrails?

Maybe they'll just usher in a long nuclear winter via WWIII.
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:17 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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These loons need to be stopped.

"On the heels of another halting round of talks on climate change, UN scientists this week will review quick-fix options for beating back the threat of global warming that rely on technology rather than political wrangling. Experts from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), meeting for three days from Monday in the Peruvian capital Lima, will ponder "geo-engineering" solutions designed to cool the planet, or at least brake the startling rise in Earth's temperature.
Seeding the ocean with iron, scattering heat-reflecting particles in the stratosphere, building towers to suck carbon dioxide (CO2) out of the atmosphere, and erecting a giant sunshade in space are all on the examining table."
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Trying to lower carbon emissions isn't trying to destroy the planet.

It makes decent sense to try and do it, in a responsible way that doesn't hurt anyones economy, and lessons our impact globally.

And they are talking about new technologies, not even caps.
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:20 AM
 
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Trying to lower carbon emissions isn't trying to destroy the planet.

It makes decent sense to try and do it, in a responsible way that doesn't hurt anyones economy, and lessons our impact globally.

And they are talking about new technologies, not even caps.
Why interfer with nature at all when this is a result of sunspots? You understand we are again forming glaciers in the upper Rocky Mountians through a cycle of heavy snows where the snowpack is not melting and is being added to every year, right?
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:26 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Why interfer with nature at all when this is a result of sunspots? You understand we are again forming glaciers in the upper Rocky Mountians through a cycle of heavy snows where the snowpack is not melting and is being added to every year, right?
We don't know that its nature. The truth is, no one knows for sure what is causing global warming.

There is good science out there that shows that humans have some impact. It may be 10% of the problem, could be 90% of the problem, could be 1%, no one knows.

My philosophy after decades of hunting, hiking in the woods, and now boating in the gulf, people screw up everything we touch. You literally can not go to a place on Earth without finding human garbage.

If we can lower our impact on the globe, without hurting the economy, thats a good thing.

Think of the Earth as a house with termites. Some of the AGW crowd that thinks the world will come to the end tomorrow want to cut off half of the house to prevent the termites from coming to the rest of it. Some in the conservative crowd seems content to ignore the termites might be brought on by their activities, and because they can't see it, they don't care.

Personally I see no problem calling the exterminator, but I'm not going bankrupt to fix it either.
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Old 06-19-2011, 12:48 AM
 
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Trying to lower carbon emissions isn't trying to destroy the planet.

It makes decent sense to try and do it, in a responsible way that doesn't hurt anyones economy, and lessons our impact globally.

And they are talking about new technologies, not even caps.
You think dumping a bunch of iron into the ocean, sucking up all the co2 with giant towers, messing with the stratoshpere and giant sunshades are technology? It's insanity. They already tried to fix the evil lightbulb with mercury filled tubes that hazmat needs to come remove if broken in your home according to the EPA. They won't stop until the funding does. Yeah a giant sunshade. Should only cost a hundred trillion or so to put that up to shade the earth from the sun. INSANITY. We are already entereing a solar minimum and temps havn't warmed for years but drive on. When they help an ice age kick in who will they blame? Not themselves. They will just want piles more money to warm us up like in the seventies.
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Old 06-19-2011, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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You think dumping a bunch of iron into the ocean, sucking up all the co2 with giant towers, messing with the stratoshpere and giant sunshades are technology? It's insanity. They already tried to fix the evil lightbulb with mercury filled tubes that hazmat needs to come remove if broken in your home according to the EPA. They won't stop until the funding does. Yeah a giant sunshade. Should only cost a hundred trillion or so to put that up to shade the earth from the sun. INSANITY. We are already entereing a solar minimum and temps havn't warmed for years but drive on. When they help an ice age kick in who will they blame? Not themselves. They will just want piles more money to warm us up like in the seventies.
Not all of that, no. CO2 towers might be good though.

Incandescent lightbulbs are gone. The future isn't about finding some new imaginary energy source, its about making the most of what you have.

If they want to fund a giant sunshade, thats their business.

They are ideas, and if they won't work, or if they cost to much, they won't be done.

You said they are trying to destroy the planet, hardly, we may destroy ourselves, but we aren't going to destroy the planet.
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:21 AM
 
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Trying to lower carbon emissions isn't trying to destroy the planet.

It makes decent sense to try and do it, in a responsible way that doesn't hurt anyones economy, and lessons our impact globally.

And they are talking about new technologies, not even caps.
They aren't discussing lowering emissions. Geo engineering is about trying to manipulate mother nature and would have to be done on a large scale, much larger than anything we might be doing now that *might* be causing the global temperatures to rise.

Back in the 70's one thing they came up with to combat global cooling was covering Antarctica in soot. From 1975:

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Newsweek on the cooling world

Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects. They concede that some of the more spectacular solutions proposed, such as melting the Arctic ice cap by covering it with black soot or diverting arctic rivers, might create problems far greater than those they solve. But the scientists see few signs that government leaders anywhere are even prepared to take the simple measures of stockpiling food or of introducing the variables of climatic uncertainty into economic projections of future food supplies. The longer the planners delay, the more difficult will they find it to cope with climatic change once the results become grim reality.
This is of greater concern now because they might actually try something as crazy as this because of the public perception surrounding this topic.
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:40 AM
 
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Why interfer with nature at all?
What like redirecting the flow of the Mississippi River destroying the Delta and the only natural barrier to storm surges?
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Old 06-19-2011, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Why interfer with nature at all when this is a result of sunspots? You understand we are again forming glaciers in the upper Rocky Mountians through a cycle of heavy snows where the snowpack is not melting and is being added to every year, right?
DO tell (as in a link). I live in the Rockies and have't heard that.
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