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Old 06-26-2011, 01:18 AM
 
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Old 06-26-2011, 01:29 AM
 
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Because they (courts and corrupt judges) are full of corruption. We ''the people''....are not that stupid.
Actually many are. Which is why they shoudn't be voting on other people's rights.
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:18 AM
 
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I honestly don't know the answer and would be curious to find out. Thanks
How many states would pass "Civil Rights"? for "women" or "minorties""? I'm thinking not a bunch!
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:40 AM
 
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So............it's wrong to discriminate against gays, but not immigrants or those who have an education less than yours, hmm?
You could have searched this yourself easily and gotten your answer and yet you decided to start a thread ... because you were "curious"? Uh-huh.


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Are you familiar with the debacle that is the California ballot initiative system?

We are a republic. Every state is a republic. The Constitution says almost nothing about the states, but one thing it does guarantee is that all states have republican government --ie, a government comprised of officials elected for the purpose of enacting laws.

I know there's this popular idea that laws should be one or two lines long, like the wording of ballot initiatives. But it's juvenile. In reality, running a country of 310,000,000 people, or even a state of 10,000,000, entails far more complex issues than can be summed up in a trite phrase of this or that such as those appearing on ballots.

How about a corporation that simply polls its employees when making business decisions? Sound like a good plan to you? Maybe a university that polls undergraduates when academic decisions are to be made? Maybe the Navy should poll sailors and see if we need a new class of supercarriers? No. Those are decisions for boards of directors, boards of regents, and the Pentagon. These are groups created to run corporations, universities, and military branches.

And legislatures and executive branches are created to run the government and enact laws and policies.
I expect this to go 'whooooosh' right over her "curious" head.
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:57 AM
 
Location: Earth
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I honestly don't know the answer and would be curious to find out. Thanks
The internet provides amazing information.
One cannot deny rights by a vote.
I know many people would like to deny people rights by vote, but in the US that's not going to happen.
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Old 06-26-2011, 04:47 AM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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0. Thankfully.
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Old 06-26-2011, 05:43 AM
 
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I agree with the google suggestion. If the OP wants information, all she has/had to do is google on it.

I think the premise of this thread is to stir up controversy, which is fine as this is POC, but much better presented from a position of a straightforward agenda.
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:55 AM
 
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Why so thin skinned Slim Jim? I never looked it up, so I was curious. I'm actually surprised that the answer is zero, I thought it would be low, but didn't think zero. I figured if it is such a popular thing now adays, then why not put it on a ballot and let the people decide, instead of having legislators push it through? I mean, what are they afraid of?
Because, we are not a democracy and the people don't vote for laws (unless they have a system like California).

What difference would it make? If 250 million people voted to ban gay marriage across the nation, the Supreme Court would just strike down their law as unconstitutional.
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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Since when is being gay a "minority?" That's a joke, right? Is being left handed a "minority too?" Rights are for individuals, not groups.
You don't consider 5% or less of a population a "minority"? Are blacks and Jews not minorities either?
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Old 06-26-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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Because they (courts and corrupt judges) are full of corruption. We ''the people''....are not that stupid.

New York pushed that wicked bill thru last night....exactly the way Obama and his cronies pushed thru the ''Health Care corrupt bill thru. But it's about to be repealed....and so will the same sex bill....be overturned.
Um, no it isn't. The NY bill was passed by the Republican representatives of the State of New York. It was done by the books, so there is unlikely to be a legal challenge to it. Nothing the courts can do, since that law isn't unconstitutional.
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