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Old 07-03-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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It does not matter one whit if the show was popular or not. Fox is in business to make money not to supply a show for half wits. When Beck became a laibility he was done like dinner at Fox.

Yet you have no statistics to back up, he was a money loser and a liability.

A money loser and liability, does not get to spout the same thing for 6 more months, ask Keith Olberman.
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Old 07-03-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Yet you have no statistics to back up, he was a money loser and a liability.

A money loser and liability, does not get to spout the same thing for 6 more months, ask Keith Olberman.
But I do have the stats. These figures are published. There is a list on Media matters of the sponsers that Beck lost and also a graph showing the steady loss of viewers over the last year or so. These are not media matters numbers by the way but are quoted there from from the TV industry itself.
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Old 07-03-2011, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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But I do have the stats. These figures are published. There is a list on Media matters of the sponsers that Beck lost and also a graph showing the steady loss of viewers over the last year or so. These are not media matters numbers by the way but are quoted there from from the TV industry itself.
Sure he lost advertisers, because the left went after those companies, threatening them if they didn't pull their ads. They've done the same with all Fox advertisers in general, but moreso with Beck. Beck said that didn't hurt him, he always managed to fill the slots.
This has nothing to do with his leaving television - he was fed up with the dishonesty that is part and parcel of the system. He did say Fox is the most honest or all of them, but he wants to take off the restraints and do something different. Can't wait to see what that will be.
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Old 07-03-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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Sure he lost advertisers, because the left went after those companies, threatening them if they didn't pull their ads. They've done the same with all Fox advertisers in general, but moreso with Beck.
I would LOVE proof of that, otherwise this is just more fabricated lies, just lie Beck spews.

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Beck said that didn't hurt him, he always managed to fill the slots.
I'm sure he did Advertisers have been leaving his show in drones for quite a while. In the past 6 months or so all you see are the same few "buy gold" or buy a doomsday generator commercials repeated numerous times, plus filled with "house" ads and long news-breaks to fill time. Something no other show on fox had to do.

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This has nothing to do with his leaving television - he was fed up with the dishonesty that is part and parcel of the system. He did say Fox is the most honest or all of them, but he wants to take off the restraints and do something different. Can't wait to see what that will be.
"But Beck said",.. Do you really think he is going to tell the truth when all he spouts is lies and distorted garbage?
Beck was fired because likely because A) His ratings were plunging. Down over 30%
B) Advertisers were leading in droves. Without advertisers there is lost revenue. Without revenue greedy right wingers like Roger Ailes can't buy a new yacht. BIG no-no
C) He is, or was the biggest lightning rod of controversy in politics. No one spread as many lies, came out with the most off the wall garbage, distorted facts, and spread propaganda like Beck. With this it brought lots of heat to fox furthering the view that they are an ultra-right wing network that only caters to the easily mislead and ignorant. Fox put up with it for a while, but Beck like the tea party are sinking ships and fox threw them in the trash once they were done with them. Even fox will "eat their own" once their shelf life is done.

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Old 07-03-2011, 04:02 PM
 
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He is no longer held under the thumb of the FCC.

Watch freedom ring!
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Old 07-03-2011, 04:06 PM
 
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Love fellow Liberatarian Stossel and Judge Napolitano! Both pragmatic well read thinkers.
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Old 07-03-2011, 04:07 PM
 
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"But Beck said",.. Do you really think he is going to tell the truth when all he spouts is lies and distorted garbage?
Beck was fired because likely because A) His ratings were plunging. Down over 30%
B) Advertisers were leading in droves. Without advertisers their is lost revenue. Without revenue greedy right wingers like Roger Ailes can't buy a new yacht. BIG no-no
C) He is, or was the biggest lightning rod of controversy in politics. No one spread as many lies, came out with the most off the wall garbage, distorted facts, and spread propaganda like Beck. With this it brought lots of heat to fox furthering the view that they are an ultra-right wing network that only caters to the easily mislead and ignorant. Fox put up with it for a while, but Beck like the tea party are sinking ships and fox threw them in the trash once they were done with them. Even fox will "eat their own" once their shelf life is done.

Who is distorted?

That facts speak volumes of truth...

Glenn Beck’s Ratings Collapse
HELLO AMERICA? Glenn Beck Posts Biggest Ratings Drop Of Any Cable…
Glenn Beck’s Ratings Have Dropped by 50% in One Year
Glenn beck’s ratings fall again; he invades poland
Glenn Beck Ratings Tumble vs. Last October
Glenn Beck Limps Into 2011 With Falling Ratings
The latest Glenn Beck ratings collapse‎
The truth about Glenn Beck’s TV ratings: They’re down
Did Glenn Beck just post a new ratings low for 2010?‎
How low (in the ratings) can Glenn Beck go?‎
This is soooooo weird. I had the impression that Glenn was moderately successful in the ratings. But, no. Clearly his ratings have been in a state of utter collapse at essentially every moment of his entire television career. The last headline is my favorite, considering it came from July 31, 2007. Solid prediction guys.
The same people have been trying to prove the same thing, idiotically, every day since then. Seriously, if Glenn has been collapsing in the ratings for this long—how do you even know who he is?
Since the final show has finally come, let’s look at the truth. To be thorough, we’ll examine every conceivable way that you could measure ratings success. Whenever possible, I’ll use January 2011/1st quarter numbers, because they offer the least favorable comparisons for us. This is insanely lengthy, but I figured I’d do it once and get it over with.

1–Beck vs previous show airing on network in time slot
Glenn has increased the ratings of the 5pm time slot at Fox by 131% compared to the programming airing before his start. In case you don’t know how to read percentages, that’s doubling the ratings, plus another 31%.

2–Beck vs Lead-in on network
How did Glenn do in comparison to his lead in hour? He increased the ratings by about 95%.

3–Beck vs competition in time slot
This one is so easy that it’s probably not worth spending too much time on. We’ll use the quarterly ratings.
FOXN Beck 462
CNN Situation Room 210

the ratings I’m using include Situation Room’s 6pm hour which slightly increased the average. This was also a very good quarter for CNN with events like Egypt and the Tsunami where they excel. That being said—even using their inflated numbers, Glenn Beck beats its closest competition by 120%.
Remember, when Glenn took over the 5pm slot, both MSNBC and CNN were very close to winning that time slot, particularly through the election. In fact, in January ’09 on the days before Glenn took over, CNN actually tied Fox. Ummm…that didn’t happen afterwards.
**It should be noted here, that with the possible exception of legendary hit programs like American Idol, no show on television is judged by any standard other than #1, 2, or 3 on this list.


4–Beck vs Everyone else at 5pm combined
FOXN Beck 462
CNN Situation Room 210
MSNBC Hardball 168
HLN Showbiz 78

these numbers include Hardball’s 7pm rerun, which raised its average significantly. Still, Glenn Beck defeated all other cable news shows combined at 5pm, even in a supposedly terrible quarter. As a TV executive I was speaking with recently told me: “Glenn Beck is the highest rated regularly scheduled show in the history of cable news at 5pm.”


5–Beck vs Everyone else at every other network regardless of time
This measure puts Glenn against all of the prime time programming of all of the competing networks, even though his show does not air in prime time (it’s 2pm on the west coast remember).
There’s a measure in TV ratings called the HUT level (households using television). To boil it down, for every million households with a TV, about 400,000 are watching something during our time slot. During prime time that number is more like 640,000, in other words 60% more available households watching television. That makes it a lot harder to get an audience at 5pm than in prime time.
Regardless, Glenn Beck on Fox News still trounced everybody.
FOXN Beck 462
CNN Cooper 318
CNN Morgan 302
MSNBC Maddow 295

Despite the fact that 5pm has far fewer available people to watch TV, Glenn still beat every single show on every competing network by a minimum of 45%.


6—Beck vs Everyone else on Fox News regardless of time
This matches Glenn up against the entire lineup of Fox News Channel, regardless of time. Again, even though there are larger available audiences in prime time, Glenn performed very well. Throughout our run at FNC, and possibly since the beginning of time, Bill O’Reilly basically slaughtered everyone in the ratings. After that, Glenn, Brett Baier, Shep, Hannity and Greta bounced back-and-forth between 2nd and 6th. That quarter Glenn finished 4th.


7–Glenn Beck vs Glenn Beck
When you have a show this successful, the only way to argue its failure is to compare it to itself. So, the media took the peak of our ratings, usually January of 2010, and compared it against everything else. In April 2010, our ratings were supposedly collapsing as compared to January 2010. In November 2010, they were supposedly collapsing as compared to January 2010. Then, they were supposedly collapsing in January 2011 as compared to January 2010. Then, the quarter including January 2011 supposedly collapsed as compared to the quarter including January 2010.
Yup, the first quarter of 2010 was a great quarter in the ratings. Health care was at its fever pitch, and Scott Brown was on the scene to (almost) save the day. That’s why January of 2011 was a down month for basically every single cable news show in comparison (there might be an exception or two among shows that no one watches.) We also aired our highest rated episode of our entire time on television during January 2010.
So, left-leaning blogs and media reported that our ratings had dropped by 46%. But, knowing the how the news cycle works (they don’t schedule news events annually so that news channels can fairly compare ratings) does that number actually mean anything?
The first question you must ask to find out, which a few did, was how did other shows on Fox News do? Well, every one of them was down. Bret Baier and Shep Smith dropped by percentages in the mid-20’s, O’Reilly dropped by 30%, Hannity 38%, and Greta 47%. Does that mean these shows suddenly started sucking? No. It was all about the news cycle.
But—wait—doesn’t this show that Glenn dropped as much or more than everyone else? To know if that’s significant or not you have to ask—what did he drop from? You see—Glenn dropped more than other shows, because he had GAINED more than other shows during the previous year. Here’s a graph to show what I’m talking about. These are the ratings changes on primetime shows on Fox not including Glenn in Jan 2009-11.


the 5pm hour spiked much, much higher than other shows between 2009-10—and despite the following years fall, still increased ratings by 60% in the two year period, despite most Fox shows being around flat. Despite the nonsense that his political opponents and haters attempt to spew, Glenn Beck on Fox News is one of the biggest ratings successes in the history of the format. This follows another triple digit percentage ratings increase on our previous show on Headline News. Next up-GBTV.
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Old 07-03-2011, 04:13 PM
 
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The truth has no agenda.
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Old 07-03-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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Who is distorted?

That facts speak volumes of truth...

Glenn Beck’s Ratings Collapse

It's plagiarism not to site the source of a posting like that, but here it is

The Truth About Glenn

Yep, good ol' Glenn Beck's own site.
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Old 07-03-2011, 04:39 PM
 
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It's plagiarism not to site the source of a posting like that, but here it is

The Truth About Glenn

Yep, good ol' Glenn Beck's own site.

So, you don't have the numbers to present your case?
Do you really know Glenn?
Do you really know what he is all about?

The truth has no agenda.
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