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Old 07-10-2011, 01:41 PM
 
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Just because your emotions make you feel bad about these trials, doesn't mean that they didn't mull over the evidence. That they took so little time, especially in the case of the latter, shows that the forensic evidence was very, very weak.

The people who founded the country didn't want trials by judges. They wanted trials by people. Likely to avoid the consequences of politics mingling directly with the freedom of those on trial.
I am guessing you know nothing about the testimony and evidence presented at either OJ's or Casey's trial.
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Old 07-10-2011, 01:52 PM
 
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Nope. For example in Casey's trial:

Let me put it to you clearly.

One of the lesser charges against Casey was Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child. This can be the death of a child from something as simple as neglect-such as neglecting to provide for safety or neglecting to properly supervise a child.

Casey was the last person with Caylee who was not even three years old. Caylee turns up dead and Casey does not give a truthful account of what happened. Even if an accident did happen, it would be negligent to not seek help immediately. If the child was dead too long for medical help than it is neglect by leaving a child unsupervised for an unreasonable period of time.

The circumstances speak for themselves. Casey's wrong doing can be inferred from the mere fact that the occurrence happened:" Res ipsa loquitor".
Casey Anthony verdict in - NOT guilty
Ok in order for Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child to be proven you need the following I think.

A person who causes the death.
Of a Person under the age of 18.
By culpable negligence.

If the prosecution cannot prove beyond a resonable doubt to the jury that Casey caused the death then her negligence and the child age are irrevelant.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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Ok in order for Aggrivated Manslaughter of a Child to be proven you need the following I think.

A person who causes the death.
Of a Person under the age of 18.
By cupapble negligence.

If the prosecution cannot prove beyond a resonable doubt to the jury that Casey caused the death then her negligence and the child age are irrevelant.
The point is "reasonable doubt" not doubt because we don't have a video documenting exactly what happened. If Caylee drowned and she did not call 911, that is manslaughter by negligence.

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A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence.
Florida Laws: FL Statutes - Title XLVI Crimes Section 782.02 Justifiable use of deadly force. - Florida Attorney Resources - Florida Laws

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There has been quite a bit of discussion of how to differentiate manslaughter from first and second degree murder, but what it comes down to is this: if something you do causes someone else to die, if something you get someone else to do causes someone to die, or if you do something stupid (or fail to do something smart) that common sense would tell you would create dangerous situation and could cause someone to die and someone does die, you have committed manslaughter.
what is the definition of manslaughter?

You, like the jury, do not understand the law.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:21 PM
 
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The point is "reasonable doubt" not doubt because we don't have a video documenting exactly what happened. If Caylee drowned and she did not call 911, that is manslaughter by negligence.


Florida Laws: FL Statutes - Title XLVI Crimes Section 782.02 Justifiable use of deadly force. - Florida Attorney Resources - Florida Laws


what is the definition of manslaughter?

You, like the jury, do not understand the law.
Seriously do you not know how to read? I said...

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A person who causes the death.
Of a Person under the age of 18.
By culpable negligence.
To which you quoted me the FL statute saying.

"A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence."

Additionally, reasonable doubt is whatever the jury thinks reasonable doubt is and they obviously found it. Just because you and the Nancy Graces of the world disagree doesn't mean the jury was negligent or didn't understand the law.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:22 PM
 
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Seriously do you not know how to read? I said...



To which you quoted me the FL statute saying.

"A person who causes the death of any person under the age of 18 by culpable negligence."
No need to be insulting!

Culpable negligence of a child includes failure to provide supervision or medical care.

http://news.lalate.com/2011/07/04/ca...iled-by-perry/
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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No need to be insulting!

Culpable negligence of a child includes failure to provide supervision or medical care.

Casey Anthony Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child Detailed by Perry
Ok you need caustion. As I said just proving negligence is not enough.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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Ok you need caustion. As I said just proving negligence is not enough.
Not according to judge Perry.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:30 PM
 
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Not according to judge Perry.
um yes according to Judge Perry. Your source just quoted the definition of culpable negligence the judge also lays out the elements for the jury.

Jury Instructions in the Casey Anthony Trial – In Session: - CNN.com Blogs

To prove the crime of Aggravated Manslaughter of a Child, the State must prove the following two elements beyond a reasonable doubt:
1. Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.
2. Casey Marie Anthony’s act(s) caused the death of Caylee Marie Anthony.
Or
The death of Caylee Marie Anthony was caused by the culpable negligence of Casey Marie
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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Ok you need caustion. As I said just proving negligence is not enough.
BTW, the defense claimed the "causation" was drowning. So either Caylee was not supervised for a very long period of time or Casey did not seek appropriate medical attention for her child. Both of which led to Caylee's demise of which the defense admits. Remember Biaz's opening statement?

They literally admitted culpable negligence in their opening statement. End of story.
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Old 07-10-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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BTW, the defense claimed the "causation" was drowning. So either Caylee was not supervised for a very long period of time or Casey did not seek appropriate medical attention for her child. Both of which led to Caylee's demise of which the defense admits. Remember Biaz's opening statement?

They literally admitted culpable negligence in their opening statement. End of story.
I don't want to rehash the entire trial and or 1L crim law. All I am saying is that I think reasonable minds could disagree as to whether in this case the Defendant's negligence was the proximate cause of the child's death and thus an acquittal is reasonable.
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