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I don't like calling people racists. Idiots perhaps, but the racist line is usually a copout. Bachmann may have been drumming up indignation (the conservative mantra these days), but I doubt she is a fan of slavery.
The point is, the AA community needs to get their **** together, and racist fingerpointing does nothing to help with that fact. And the statistics and incarceration rates speak for themselves. A damn shame, and the people who can change it are the community members themselve, not well intentioned liberals who shift blame everywhere except where it should land.
Those well intentioned liberals are the ones who don't believe blacks are capable of taking care of themselves and/or they're willing to convince blacks that they are victims and keep them down in order to use them to advance their own causes.
I don't like calling people racists. Idiots perhaps, but the racist line is usually a copout. Bachmann may have been drumming up indignation (the conservative mantra these days), but I doubt she is a fan of slavery.
The point is, the AA community needs to get their **** together, and racist fingerpointing does nothing to help with that fact. And the statistics and incarceration rates speak for themselves. A damn shame, and the people who can change it are the community members themselve, not well intentioned liberals who shift blame everywhere except where it should land.
Maybe so, but the statement was still factually incorrect and not constructive. Anyone genuinely concerned about the AA community would not make a statement like that. It is not going to do any good, period. Giving a drug addict drugs doesn't help but neither does calling him a crack head. The statement was racist and basically implies that we (African-Americans) are savages who were better off under the control of Whites. Spin it however you want, but it was not productive, not true and it's offensive.
Anyone who truly cared wouldn't make such a statement. It is one thing to say that people need to do better as parents, as providers, in school, etc but another to make a totally ludicrous statement about a practice which involved legal bondage, physical abuse, rape and oppression. If you want to start a productive dialogue about the state of African-Americans, this is not the way to go about it.
So you go on about how horrible slavery was, further strengthening the point that something is seriously wrong if what she was talking about is worse now than it was back then. Thank you.
I would like an explanation of how this makes her racist please. And just for reference, racism is the belief that a certain race is genetically inferior.
Key words there "she was talking about" - doesn't make it true. I think I said that in the post you're responding to. For the explanation you are requesting, see my last post.
Maybe so, but the statement was still factually incorrect and not constructive. Anyone genuinely concerned about the AA community would not make a statement like that. It is not going to do any good, period. Giving a drug addict drugs doesn't help but neither does calling him a crack head. The statement was racist and basically implies that we (African-Americans) are savages who were better off under the control of Whites. Spin in how you want, but it was not productive, not true and it's offensive.
Anyone who truly cared wouldn't make such a statement. It is one thing to say that people need to do better as parents, as providers, in school, etc but another to make a totally ludicrous statement about a practice which involved legal bondage, physical abuse, rape and oppression. If you want to start a productive dialogue about the state of African-Americans, this is not the way to go about it.
Rep to you. Bachmann suffers from a serious affliction called foot in mouth disease.
Key words there "she was talking about" - doesn't make it true. I think I said that in the post you're responding to. For the explanation you are requesting, see my last post.
Is it not true? I asked this and another poster asked this. Nobody has answered yet.
As far as your last post, that interpretation never even occurred to me and I'm about 99.999% sure that's not at all what she meant.
Is it not true? I asked this and another poster asked this. Nobody has answered yet.
As far as your last post, that interpretation never even occurred to me and I'm about 99.999% sure that's not at all what she meant.
I answered it several times...IT ISN'T TRUE, PERIOD. Hope that spells it out for you. If you challenge what I said (although I did post about the African-American family during slavery) why don't you come up with some facts to back this up. I see that the people who made this ridiculous statement basically pulled it out of their *****.
Maybe that interpretation didn't occur to you because you don't share the same ill feelings toward slavery, racism and genocide that some Americans do. As I have stated many times over, the statement was not productive and anyone who truly cared, wouldn't have made it.
I answered it several times...IT ISN'T TRUE, PERIOD. Hope that spells it out for you. If you challenge what I said (although I did post about the African-American family during slavery) why don't you come up with some facts to back this up. I see that the people who made this ridiculous statement basically pulled it out of their *****.
You have not posted proof. Maybe she was wrong, but you haven't posted any numbers. Your proof comes down to the statement "it was common for slave parents and children to live apart" along with a few other vague statements in that excerpt you posted.
If she's wrong she's wrong, I couldn't care less. But that ain't gona cut it.
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Maybe that interpretation didn't occur to you because you don't share the same ill feelings toward slavery, racism and genocide that some Americans do. As I have stated many times over, the statement was not productive and anyone who truly cared, wouldn't have made it.
Dude... that doesn't even make sense. You interpreted it as a way to label blacks as inferior. I didn't interpret it that way. How the hell do you get from that to me not having ill feelings towards slavery and racism? Be rational.
You have not posted proof. Maybe she was wrong, but you haven't posted any numbers. Your proof comes down to the statement "it was common for slave parents and children to live apart" along with a few other vague statements in that excerpt you posted.
If she's wrong she's wrong, I couldn't care less. But that ain't gona cut it.
Dude... that doesn't even make sense. You interpreted it as a way to label blacks as inferior. I didn't interpret it that way. How the hell do you get from that to me not having ill feelings towards slavery and racism? Be rational.
Ummm...basically, I need to write a thesis with a bibliography page but they can pull some inflammatory statement out of their ***** and call it a fact. Yeah...okay Do you seriously think that an environment where humans were bought and sold like horses was conducive to keeping a family together? Do you seriously not see how anyone could find this statement offensive? There are no numbers, only accounts of what life was like back then...so how the hell do they get off making **** up and calling it fact? BS.
This isn't about the issues within the AA community, this is some BS and they knew they would get called racist for saying it, period. If they truly cared, they would talk to people about being better parents, encouraging education and staying out of trouble...NOT saying that in ANY way we were better off as slaves.
And BTW, I'm not a dude.
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She's not praising slavery, she's condemning the destruction of the black family and using a shocking fact to make her point.
Many others have made this comment before. It's true. I find it funny that you focus your anger not on the destruction of the black family, but the twisting of a point made by a random person.
Ummm...basically, I need to write a thesis with a bibliography page but they can pull some inflammatory statement out of their ***** and call it a fact. Yeah...okay Do you seriously think that an environment where humans were bought and sold like horses was conducive to keeping a family together? Do you seriously not see how anyone could find this statement offensive? There are no numbers, only accounts of what life was like back then...so how the hell do they get off making **** up and calling it fact? BS.
How do you get off calling it a non-fact. Like I said it may not be true, I'm just saying. Whatever. She's an idiot, it would have been much more compelling and definitely true if she referred the 50s during Jim Crow. Today is my final day worrying about Bachmann, the pornography thread I saw earlier was the last straw.
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This isn't about the issues within the AA community, this is some BS and they knew they would get called racist for saying it, period. If they truly cared, they would talk to people about being better parents, encouraging educatution and staying out of trouble...NOT saying that in ANY way we were better off as slaves.
That's your interpretation of it, which in my opinion is a pretty twisted one. I don't think a single person on this thread has had that interpretation but you.
It's hyperbole, as I said before.
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Rep to you. Bachmann suffers from a serious affliction called foot in mouth disease.
Do you seriously think that an environment where humans were bought and sold like horses was conducive to keeping a family together? Do you seriously not see how anyone could find this statement offensive? There are no numbers, only accounts of what life was like back then...so how the hell do they get off making **** up and calling it fact? BS.
