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But utopian society for most liberals would be where there is a sense of community and a sharing of resources for the greater good of the WHOLE community, not a few select individuals.
You can live in Utopia right now!
Utopia, Ontario is a small hamlet of about 100 people, located just west of Barrie. One of the special places in Utopia is the Utopia Conservation Area, a 50-acre back-to-nature space wherein our 140+ year old gristmill, Bell's Gristmill, resides.
Last year, our community signed a 5-year lease with the Nottawasaga Valley Conservation Authority to take over the management and care of the Utopia Conservation Area … and to work towards the restoration of Bell's Gristmill.
The name was given in honour of Sir Thomas Moore, the author of the book Utopia. Utopia describes an island-country in which everything was shared and there was no want. It was a society of happiness; an ideal community. Possibly by naming this small settlement after Moore’s social ideal, Mr. Smith was in some way reflecting his own wishes for his community.
Canada has always represented the spirit of the Last Frontier on the North American continent for me, and I would happily live there if I had to choose a country other than my native United States.
I find it strange that some people think Utopia is a place where the government gives you everything you want... I always thought of Utopia as a place where I wouldn't need anything...
Utopia doesn't exist on Earth, but if it did, we'd destroy it. We'd rape it through every orifice in its body. We'd rape it to death and then put a few bullets in the carcass just to be sure. That is our nature.
There are Tories, who are pretty similar. Stephen Harper is somewhere in between Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich politically.
The major difference is that Canada manages to make conservatism work more than the US does.
the the tories are fiscal conservatives and we are down 40 billion of national debt and 15 billion reserve funds in case the economy dips again for jobs creation through building up infastructure and alberta actually is short on help if you can weld or worked in the oil industry.. a NAFTA work permit would make you $80-120K depending on your trade.
20% of the workers are americans already and we need more to come up because they say over the next decade they will need 4x the skilled workers and americans would be at the top of the list to hire.
Utopia, Ontario is a small hamlet of about 100 people, located just west of Barrie. One of the special places in Utopia is the Utopia Conservation Area, a 50-acre back-to-nature space wherein our 140+ year old gristmill, Bell's Gristmill, resides.
Last year, our community signed a 5-year lease with the Nottawasaga Valley Conservation Authority to take over the management and care of the Utopia Conservation Area … and to work towards the restoration of Bell's Gristmill.
The name was given in honour of Sir Thomas Moore, the author of the book Utopia. Utopia describes an island-country in which everything was shared and there was no want. It was a society of happiness; an ideal community. Possibly by naming this small settlement after Moore’s social ideal, Mr. Smith was in some way reflecting his own wishes for his community.
Canada has always represented the spirit of the Last Frontier on the North American continent for me, and I would happily live there if I had to choose a country other than my native United States.
A fantasy, but a pleasant one...
bah here in we have Hope where Rambo first blood was filmed
If I were fortunate enough I would like to retire to New Zealand. It seems to be a great place and a different night sky. Besides they already speak English which would be easier to learn than Spanish, French or Italian
Back on topic, I think Canada, unlike the US, is run by political adults and not over age toddlers screaming for more bottle. Our government is embarrassing.
As far as living in Canada is concerned I can think of a couple places that would be OK. British Columbia on the West Coast and the Maritimes on the East, yeah they might be colder than New England but not that much.
FWIW - My version of Utopia is to have the smarts to be born to a rich family and have a couple of million dollar annuity to back stop any foray into business. Too bad I selected a poor broken family of delusional fools.
You mean people can choose to not pay for the services...that IS what you mean right?
Again,if an individual willingly CHOOSES to not want UHC,they don't have to pay?Is that correct?
I believe you missed my point entirely. Any country that has elected a government to represent it's citizens must already have decided to go with some sort of democratic principles, you know; as in your founding fathers comprising a document that your elected rep's voted to observe. You cant' opt out of that as an individual can you? Or am I misinformed?
Do you equate the ability to move to Montana, build a bunker and stockpile foodstuffs as being FREE?
My point was; we the people voted to have those things. We don't as a majority want to opt out through some misguided idiotic conceptual thinking that our tax dollars are going to the wrong place such as providing health care for those less fortunate.
Now if you, as an individual, have those inclinations to abdicate or remove yourself from any democratically decided element of the system, would you still be a believer in democracy or would you instead simply be an opportunist availing yourself of those rights and priviledges you find desirable while insulating yourself from the sacrifice side of the equation?
Your problem seems to be that you are NOT a believer in any democratic system per-se but rather a "cherry-picker". You like your highways, your hospitals, your schools, your institutions that provide you with services that you use and find helpful to you but you insist on the right to only pay for those that you personally choose to use or enjoy. How can that work in ANY free society?
Do you not realize if your fellow citizens ALL decided to pay for only those things they fealt worthwhile; your individual bills for each item would be astronomical.
To answer your question: yep; we can opt out of universal health care by voting for whatever party makes it a mandate to dismantle it. We just had that choice the last election and voted for the party we fealt would maintain it at it's current levels along with maintaining a fiscal policy of paying our bills AS we acquire them. That is called a working democracy by most democratic countries on the planet, yours is not unique, only insofar as how you've gone about paying for them. With democracy comes responsibilities.
Can you opt out of paying for your food stamps, your welfare, health care and free schooling to illegal aliens? Can YOU opt out of your taxes going to sustain your public school sytems? You get the chance to vote on the building of each and every destroyer, Abrhams M1? Deploying troops to Libya? How about YOU not submitting an IRS form at the end of your fiscal year? Do you have an HOA where you live? You driving that car without any tags on it? How about liability insurance for that car? You indemnified against the postman falling on his keester out in front of your place of business? What parts of those provisions do you object to so strenuously? Which one of those is NOT the very definition of your marker for socialism?
Which ones did you choose not to belong or opt for? I'd like to see that list.
Now just why do you object to any form of universal health care?
I believe you missed my point entirely. Any country that has elected a government to represent it's citizens must already have decided to go with some sort of democratic principles, you know; as in your founding fathers comprising a document that your elected rep's voted to observe. You cant' opt out of that as an individual can you? Or am I misinformed?
Do you equate the ability to move to Montana, build a bunker and stockpile foodstuffs as being FREE?
My point was; we the people voted to have those things. We don't as a majority want to opt out through some misguided idiotic conceptual thinking that our tax dollars are going to the wrong place such as providing health care for those less fortunate.
Now if you, as an individual, have those inclinations to abdicate or remove yourself from any democratically decided element of the system, would you still be a believer in democracy or would you instead simply be an opportunist availing yourself of those rights and priviledges you find desirable while insulating yourself from the sacrifice side of the equation?
Your problem seems to be that you are NOT a believer in any democratic system per-se but rather a "cherry-picker". You like your highways, your hospitals, your schools, your institutions that provide you with services that you use and find helpful to you but you insist on the right to only pay for those that you personally choose to use or enjoy. How can that work in ANY free society?
Do you not realize if your fellow citizens ALL decided to pay for only those things they fealt worthwhile; your individual bills for each item would be astronomical.
To answer your question: yep; we can opt out of universal health care by voting for whatever party makes it a mandate to dismantle it. We just had that choice the last election and voted for the party we fealt would maintain it at it's current levels along with maintaining a fiscal policy of paying our bills AS we acquire them. That is called a working democracy by most democratic countries on the planet, yours is not unique, only insofar as how you've gone about paying for them. With democracy comes responsibilities.
Can you opt out of paying for your food stamps, your welfare, health care and free schooling to illegal aliens? Can YOU opt out of your taxes going to sustain your public school sytems? You get the chance to vote on the building of each and every destroyer, Abrhams M1? Deploying troops to Libya? How about YOU not submitting an IRS form at the end of your fiscal year? Do you have an HOA where you live? You driving that car without any tags on it? How about liability insurance for that car? You indemnified against the postman falling on his keester out in front of your place of business? What parts of those provisions do you object to so strenuously? Which one of those is NOT the very definition of your marker for socialism?
Which ones did you choose not to belong or opt for? I'd like to see that list.
Now just why do you object to any form of universal health care?
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So...after all that what we discover is you are NOT free to choose at all...that choice was made for you.
In fact I imagine millions of people never even got to vote,it was decided for them.
Well if you are human, I would say I have a pretty good idea of what it is that you need. Now what you want, I have no idea. Feel free to keep that to yourself.
I never said Utopia would have everything that I need. I like to work, I will probably work until I die, because I enjoy what I do. A utopian society for liberals is not to get everything for free. Nothing is free and we realize that. But utopian society for most liberals would be where there is a sense of community and a sharing of resources for the greater good of the WHOLE community, not a few select individuals. Prison is like communism. I don't understand why you guys can never see the difference between communism and socialism.
It's a tough concept to grasp but most thinking people get it.
It has a half-life though. As a realist I've come to the conclusion that any democratic institution is only as good as the moral 'integrity quotient' of it's elected representatives.
These sytems work fine as long as those representatives whose 'personal gain' motivations are held in check by the majority of representatives being of a higher moral caliber. Once the majority becomes the greedy elite; the system is headed for collapse in a big way.
Our system in Canada has so far maintained it's integrity by simply avoiding individuals becoming fat from corporate lobbyists and PAC's etc., but give it time; one cannot live next door to an elephant without observing how fat that elephant is getting from feeding on the system. Our representatives cannot remain immune forever from looking across that imaginary line and observing your rep's all wearing Gucci's and buying homes in the Hampton's without it having some effect on them.
As goes the U.S. of A.; so goes Canada, but generally, just slightly later in the program.
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