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Are you making up stuff as you go along? Because you are COMPLETELY off the planet with your definition... Socialism isn't controlling sectors of "basic quality of life", it controls production... actually LOOK it up before you start typing... I give you a clue, socialism is about government control in the production of wealth whether it is factory, banks, or any other means... and where do you get off that socialism mandates that everyone in a factory has "equal say" in how it is run? Are you nuts? The government or any private entity runs the factory and ask the workers, how it should run? You are off your rocker... what you mean to say is that they are unionized to have a say... not an equal but a say nonetheless, this isn't a everyone "vote" to decide what the next move for the corporation is... I don't know how you manage to twist your weird logic on something that is completely different...
No. Socialism is about people owning the production NOT the government.
"Nationalisation, also spelled nationalization, is the process of taking an industry or assets into the public ownership of a national government or state"
"Nationalisation, also spelled nationalization, is the process of taking an industry or assets into the public ownership of a national government or state"
That is the ONLY socialism that is being pushed around... I don't care for people who hide behind a facade to hide their real intentions... You think anyone is THAT stupid to think that you want to control just one sector? Is anyone THAT stupid?
That is the ONLY socialism that is being pushed around... I don't care for people who hide behind a facade to hide their real intentions... You think anyone is THAT stupid to think that you want to control just one sector? Is anyone THAT stupid?
Sure. And every credible source will say what I just said. I wrote 8,000 papers on this stuff. LOL.
There is more than one type of socialism. The problem is a lot of non-academic polically-based sources tend to blur the lines.
There's no way you can extensively read Marx and not know that socialism was they way he saw capitalist society evolving on its way to communism.
There is a difference between "evolving" on a way to communism and hoping that's what is going to happen... I do not believe that any point in human or society's evolution that humankind will ever give up the ability to CHOOSE... because that is the ONLY way that communism is ever going to happen... I suppose those who are chosen for an easier life will like it... but you know me... I create my own destiny and will not let the government tell me what my life is worth or what I should do...
A worker cooperative is socialism. Workers own the means of production, decisions are made on a more democratic basis, and there is relatively equal power distribution.
Compare this with a privately owned firm. There would probably be one boss who makes most of the decisions and the income distribution would be heavily screwed towards the owner of the capital, even if he/she did not contribute to the production process.
Socialism is based on how much you contribute to society, not simply by how much capital you own. That is in contrast to capitalism.
No, it is not. What prevents me, a capitalist, from buying out this cooperative you call socialism?
See your "socialism" can't survive without the iron fist of the government a.k.a tyranny.
Let me tell you about power... it corrupts... and when "your" socialism comes to fruition (which I highly doubt), it does what EVERYONE does... seeks more... there is no such thing as "enough"... a fool who believes in that is a fool who believes that people are pure beings...
Again... what are you talking about? PURE socialism does NOT allow some private ownership of wealth production... HYBRID socialism does... the government controlled by the people? Since when? You seem to think that socialism is a "de-centralized" process when it is the complete opposite...
No, it is a democratically controlled centralized process.
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Do you know what communism is? It isn't just about no private property, it is also NO WAGE SALARIES either... basically you are put into a role determined by the government and are FORCED to work in that role for the benefit of society... that is communism... you own nothing because you are nothing... The main difference between socialism and communism is choice... in socialism, you have a choice... in communism you don't have anything because you are nothing...
Okay, sorta. But all I was trying to explain was the differences in ownership of the means of production. I didn't get into the rest of it.
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In capitalism, the only thing you own is what you buy with money... its called bartering... I buy that shirt for $10 and you can choose to sell that shirt or not... that $10 allows you to barter with someone else... it isn't about "ownership", because you can rent it as well... its about bartering...
Again, I was talking about the ownership of the means of production, not how you get a T-shirt. In capitalism, individuals own and control companies and keep most of the profits. In socialism, profits are shared by the workers.
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Of course he does... what you mean to say is that he CANNOT get there... because the other government branch, called the legislative branch is not allowing him to get there... he doesn't want collective ownership, he wants total ownership... i.e. socialism...
Total ownership/control is communism. Collective ownership/control of industry is more socialism.
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