The glorious truth: Tea Party Movement outnumbers Obama Libs! (poll, suspect, Edwards)

[Fiddlehead]

Originally Posted by Jay F

The current course we have been on for years is not reasonable. Having a debt = to GDP IS extreme! It's the out of control debt that is the main reason S&P dropped the AAA rating, they should have done it a long time ago.

The tea party are the only ones who sincerely want to stop the madness. It's sad that so many people are easily brainwashed by the media into believing the tea party is extreme. The powers that be all want uncontrolled spending. They demonize the tea party because they feel very threatened by the fact that they are serious about cutting spending.

Well, it doesn't help that most tea party types refuse to consider raising taxes to historical levels (18-20% of GDP ) and go on about how global warming is hoax and we don't need the EPA. Those are extreme positions, and they come with the tea party package. The cuts are also extremely partisan. The deficit attention is good, but their methods and scorched earth approach stink. Sorry, but this fiscal conservative views them as clueless radicals.

[Wayland Woman]

OP: Do you expect us to take an article seriously that starts right out saying "the Obama Regime" instead of the Obama administration? That's like a neon sign blinking: "Bias article! Bias writer!" There's no credibility to be found in that linked piece of propaganda.

[Fiddlehead]

Originally Posted by Wayland Woman

OP: Do you expect us to take an article seriously that starts right out saying "the Obama Regime" instead of the Obama administration? That's like a neon sign blinking: "Bias article! Bias writer!" There's no credibility to be found in that linked piece of propaganda.

Yep, it is like the paper last week talking about "alarmist" climate models..propaganda alert!!!

[jambo101]

Originally Posted by MrClose

God .. I just Love seeing Liberal Heads exploding!
(Cleanup in aisle 4 please)






The glorious truth: Tea Party Movement outnumbers Obama Libs!

In that case you'll have no problems winning the next election and the candidate of your choice can fix all of Americas problems.
Although your optimism and exuberance at the forgone conclusion of your teabagger victory suggests that if you are wrong it will be Teabagger heads in need of cleanup in aisle 4

[Jay F]

Here is an article that gives examples of why compromise and bipartisanship are so bad for the Amercan economy. I realize it is human nature to think that two sides working together will lead to harmony and good things, it's how our brains are wired. We really want to believe that. But have an open mind that when politicians compromise it is not in our best interests.

Guest Post: Compromise, D.C.-Style | ZeroHedge

[Jay F]

Originally Posted by Fiddlehead

Well, it doesn't help that most tea party types refuse to consider raising taxes to historical levels (18-20% of GDP ) and go on about how global warming is hoax and we don't need the EPA. Those are extreme positions, and they come with the tea party package. The cuts are also extremely partisan. The deficit attention is good, but their methods and scorched earth approach stink. Sorry, but this fiscal conservative views them as clueless radicals.

The tea party is concentrated on fiscal issues more than issues such as global warming. If most tea partiers think global warming is a hoax it simply reflects the fact that most conservatives in general believe this.

As for taxes, establishment Republicans seem more focused on taxes than the tea party. The GOP leadership would not give an inch on taxes yet easily caved in on spending. The tea party lawmakers who voted NO on the debt deal are obviously not exclusively obsessed with taxes or they would have caved in too..they are much more concerned with spending and the debt.

I can't speak for all tea partiers, but for myself spending is a bigger issue than taxation right now. I would like to see tax reform where the 50% of American workers who currently pay no income tax would start to contribute something. This would not only be fair, it would bring in a lot more funds and help cut the deficit.

[mackinac81]

Originally Posted by Jay F

I couldn't disagree more. All of the mess we are in now is due to compromise and the spirit of bipartisanship. In fact I sense a growing bipartisan hatred of bipartisanship.

To know when to compromise and when to stand for principle is the mark of a mature and wise person. Most Americans know that trying to achieve certain goals with people you don't like is a basic necessity to function successfully in society. Why some people don't understand this basic concept is beyond me.

[JRR]

Originally Posted by mackinac81

To know when to compromise and when to stand for principle is the mark of a mature and wise person. Most Americans know that trying to achieve certain goals with people you don't like is a basic necessity to function successfully in society. Why some people don't understand this basic concept is beyond me.

I agree. What some people seem to lose sight of is that not everyone has the same views on the situation. So when one side takes a hard no compromise stance, the other side does the same and then nothing gets done. Which sort of defeats the argument that we can't keep going like we have been in Washington. It actually guarantees that we will keep stumbling down the same lousy path.

[Cunucu Beach]

Originally Posted by natalie469

Extremists on both sides are dangerous and should cancel each other out. The country should be run by moderates who know how to compromise.

I wish more people with old-fashioned common sense would rise to the top. Unfortunately, even those people must pander to the extremes of both Democrats and Republicans. Ron Paul is the only one I can think of who is his own man and puts forth some really sensible ideas.

[AfricanWarrior]

Originally Posted by mackinac81

The article is the citation. See post number 2. According to this article, tea party support, as of August, has gone down since April. The debt ceiling deal was "resolved" at the beginning of August, so that only stands to reason that part of the reason for their decline in support was due to the debt ceiling deal.

Like a vast majority of people,you clearly do not understand how to read poll results, and are not aware of just how often the media will often manipulate their results to present their own bias.

1) If a report does not clearly state the poll is scientific, it's worthless.

2) Margin of error, is based on the type of polling factors that may effect an accurate cross section, Phone Polls: not all have phones, some have unlisted numbers, and do not allow a standard for demographic analysis etc. Most scientific polls are on average +/-3% to +/-5% = 6% to 10% var.

If all three polls are conducted in precisely the same manner, this would mean, if we used the 10% var and the first poll showed 30% support and the next two were 25% and 35% the percentage of support has not scientifically changed, it merely presents a mathematical illusion of change.

Only when the poll number falls outside of the variable range has a loss or gain in support occurred, all that fall with-in the variable are adjusted by margin of error.

To accurately read a poll is the opposite of how it is presented, rather than interpreting it by the base median of 30%, interpret it in the manner it was intended, by the variable 25% - 35%, which serves as the true measure reflecting support.

Polls cannot account for all the variables affecting the results, and it is not intended to be mathematically precise. Therefore, viewing it as a single percentage defeats the intended purpose of the poll itself

3) If the media compares three polls, and one poll used the +/-3%, another +/-4, and another +/-5% you would see a major fluctuation in numbers, suggest some degree of manipulation.

It is basic human nature to resist rapid ideological change, no matter how positive it may be. If such changes are claimed to have occurred, the scientific validity of the comparisons should be objectively reviewed. Even if all three polls were originally conducted scientifically.

If the set of numbers used in comparison are from a separate poll, which was the case here, and those numbers appear stable you now know the reason why. The report is no longer mathematical in nature, but agenda based and intended to show one as stable, therefore suggesting a solid support base, and the other as erratic, therefore suggesting an unstable support base.

There are only two percentages presented here that have any statistical relevance. 41% conservative plus 22% Tea Party = 63% non-Democratic.

What makes them relevant is no longer a mathematical theorem, but an applied mathematical statement proven as fact. After huge political shock-waves saw a Republican handily defeat a Democrat in the bastion of liberalism of 3:1 Dem to rep ratio, and then a 20% landslide in the Liberal/Hispanic realm of Reid.

If anyone should not be laughing it is those on the Left, because these numbers are now proven to not be a lie.

The source article reflecting not just these factual numbers, but a few more blowing the Left Wing Propaganda out of the political water.

(CNSNews.com) - More than a quarter of Americans describe themselves as supporters of the Tea Party movement, and the demographics of this group generally mirror the demographics of the national population, according to a USA Today/Gallup Poll.

From March 26-28, Gallup asked 1,033 adults this question: “Do you consider yourself to be--[a supporter of the Tea Party movement, an opponent of the Tea Party movement] or neither?

Twenty-eight percent said they considered themselves to be a supporter of the Tea Party movement. A smaller percentage, 26%, said they were opponents of the Tea Party movement. Thirty-eight percent said they were neither, and 8 percent had no opinion.

“In several other respects, however--their age, educational background, employment status, and race--Tea Partiers are quite representative of the public at large,” Gallup’s Lydia Saad wrote in [URL="http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Partiers-Fairly-Mainstream-Demographics.aspx"]an analysis[/URL] of the poll.

According to Gallup, 75 percent of the U.S. population is non-Hispanic White, while 11 percent are non-Hispanic black, and 15 percent belong to other races. Meanwhile, 79% of Tea Party movement supporters are non-Hispanic white, while 6 percent are non-Hispanic black, and 15 percent belong to other races.