Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
The liberal movement was "minor" and scattered in the first half of the 20th century... just a small group of people...
Just off the top of my head, without using any references, prominent Americans who were generally considered or called themselves "liberal" or "progressive" from 1901-1950:
Theodore Roosevelt
Herbert Croly
Thorstein Veblen
Jane Addams
Lincoln Steffens
Upton Sinclair
Margaret Sanger
William James
John Dewey
Clarence Darrow
Robert Lafollette, Jr.
Heywood Broun
Harry Fosdick
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Ernest Hemingway
Oswald G. Villard
Jimmy Hoffa
Henry Wallace
Humbert Humphrey
Well then, you know that advocating, for example, universal health care did not get a politician branded a socialist during the 1950s or 1960s or 1970s or even 1980s, except perhaps among Ayn Rand fans.
(Needless to say, this has nothing to do with whether UHC is a good idea. It's simply a matter of distinguishing political discourse from political hyperbole.)
Many good programs have been bastardized into something completely opposite to what was intended. For example; Welfare was originally intended to help widows with children. Now it is a program that promotes fatherless families by rewarding single mothers based on how many kids they have. Welfare has been rendered into a horrible program that enslaves generations who now have an addiction-like reliance on it. It IS the poster child of the liberal ideology and one of many paths toward insolvency.
Our country is bleeding from a thousand cuts. It doesn't matter which side one is/was on anymore. Both sides have abused the system and used it for votes.
Getting back to the original premise of this thread. I don't agree with much of what he says, and his foreign policy is non-existent, but Ron Paul may be the most honest candidate since Perrot. This ensures he is unelectable.
The liberal movement was "minor" and scattered in the first half of the 20th century... just a small group of people...
Yeah, this is getting embarrassing. You respond with senseless one-liners that have no additional information to bolster your assertions. Let me try this.
What you want to describe "the liberal movement" is widely known as "the progressive movement," and was a veritable force in the early 20th century. Pro-Union, pro-regulation, social reformers were not "just a small group of people," and they participated hugely in the election of presidents like Theodore Roosevelt and FDR, who you laud.
You want to link liberals to the 60s alone and ignore the legacy of leftism prior to the Civil Rights Movement, which makes no sense. Modern liberals were certainly influenced by the social activism of MLK (and not just MLK and the CRM, by the way, but anti-war, anti-sexist, anti-gay movements, as well as others), but they were formed by the progressivism of people well before that. Sorry you can't pick and choose as you please.
Yeah, this is getting embarrassing. You respond with senseless one-liners that have no additional information to bolster your assertions. Let me try this.
What you want to describe "the liberal movement" is widely known as "the progressive movement," and was a veritable force in the early 20th century. Pro-Union, pro-regulation, social reformers were not "just a small group of people," and they participated hugely in the election of presidents like Theodore Roosevelt and FDR, who you laud.
You want to link liberals to the 60s alone and ignore the legacy of leftism prior to the Civil Rights Movement, which makes no sense. Modern liberals were certainly influenced by the social activism of MLK (and not just MLK and the CLR, by the way, but anti-war, anti-sexism, and other strands of leftist thought), but they were formed by the progressivism of people well before that. Sorry you can't pick and choose as you please.
Yeah... I can... There are huge differences between Unions who swayed elections before and after the "Great Depression"... and the modern Civil Rights movements post WW II... in the 50's and 60's...
Yeah... I can... There are huge difference between Unions who swayed elections before and after the "Great Depression"... and the modern Civil Rights movements post WW II...
There's a huge difference between the Civil Rights movement and modern liberalism (read: now) too, but that hasn't stopped you from regurgitating the same talking point over and over again.
There's a huge difference between the Civil Rights movement and modern liberalism (read: now) too, but that hasn't stopped you from regurgitating the same talking point over and over again.
No... there isn't... Modern day liberalism stems from the Civil Rights movement... After JFK...
No... there isn't... Modern day liberalism stems from the Civil Rights movement... After JFK...
OK HC. Why don't you give us 3 or 4 defining characteristics of what you call "modern-day liberalism"--in other words, ways in which it diverges from any other kind of liberalism?
Just off the top of my head, without using any references, prominent Americans who were generally considered or called themselves "liberal" or "progressive" from 1901-1950:
Theodore Roosevelt
Herbert Croly
Thorstein Veblen
Jane Addams
Lincoln Steffens
Upton Sinclair
Margaret Sanger
William James
John Dewey
Clarence Darrow
Robert Lafollette, Jr.
Heywood Broun
Harry Fosdick
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Ernest Hemingway
Oswald G. Villard
Jimmy Hoffa
Henry Wallace
Humbert Humphrey
Woodrow Wilson was bribed/blackmailed into signing the bill creating the "Federal Reserve Bank"...
It is important to note that the Federal Reserve is a private company, it is neither Federal nor does it have any Reserve. It is conservatively estimated that profits exceed $150 billion per year and the Federal Reserve has never once in its history published accounts.
1913: On March 4, Woodrow Wilson is elected the 28th President of the United States. Shortly after he is inaugurated, he is visited in the White House by Samuel Untermyer, of law firm, Guggenheim, Untermyer, and Marshall, who tries to blackmail him for the sum of $40,000 in relation to an affair Wilson had whilst he was a professor at Princeton University, with a fellow professor's wife.
President Wilson does not have the money, so Untermyer volunteers to pay the $40,000 out of his own pocket to the woman Wilson had had the affair with, on the condition that Wilson promise to appoint to the first vacancy on the United States Supreme Court a nominee to be recommended to President Wilson by Untermyer. Wilson agrees to this.
Woodrow Wilson was bribed/blackmailed into signing the bill creating the "Federal Reserve Bank"...
It is important to note that the Federal Reserve is a private company, it is neither Federal nor does it have any Reserve. It is conservatively estimated that profits exceed $150 billion per year and the Federal Reserve has never once in its history published accounts.
1913: On March 4, Woodrow Wilson is elected the 28th President of the United States. Shortly after he is inaugurated, he is visited in the White House by Samuel Untermyer, of law firm, Guggenheim, Untermyer, and Marshall, who tries to blackmail him for the sum of $40,000 in relation to an affair Wilson had whilst he was a professor at Princeton University, with a fellow professor's wife.
President Wilson does not have the money, so Untermyer volunteers to pay the $40,000 out of his own pocket to the woman Wilson had had the affair with, on the condition that Wilson promise to appoint to the first vacancy on the United States Supreme Court a nominee to be recommended to President Wilson by Untermyer. Wilson agrees to this.
The United States has been a thorn in the side of world bankers, until now. We've become their biggest asset.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
