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Old 08-21-2011, 12:30 AM
 
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You should only have children if YOU can afford to raise them.

Everyone should pay taxes, but as it is, the ones who want the "rich" to pay more taxes (to help those who don't pay taxes) are likely the 50% who don't pay any.

Everyone should pay taxes whether or not they can afford to pay them?
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:51 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Jon Stewart - who baggies love so much - explains why it 700 Billion of rescinding tax cuts is "nothing" but a million off NPR (or some skin off the poor) is sooooo huge 'cause "we need to start somewhere". Basically, as he explains "F the poor":

Jon Stewart Defends Warren Buffett on 'Class Warfare' | Reuters


Those tax cuts were extended by the Democratically controlled 111th Congress and Obama.

If liberals don't approve of the tax cuts for billionaires, why do they keep electing Democrats like the ones who extended them?

As for NPR, any reason the federal government needs to fund radio?
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:02 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I just thought there was some irony in someone saying that a person making $15K shouldn't have kids and also that the person making $15K isn't paying enough taxes.

I see no inconsistency in the logic.

If a couple wants to have children but are financially unable to provide for all the expenses of that child, they need to wait until they are in a better financial position.

A person who earns $15K/yr still benefits from government services and should some skin in the game too...obviously not as much as a wealthy person, but something.

If a person earns a low income, they need to get an eduction or otherwise develop a marketable skill. There is no excuse for being too lazy to develop a marketable talent.
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Old 08-21-2011, 05:27 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I see no inconsistency in the logic.

If a couple wants to have children but are financially unable to provide for all the expenses of that child, they need to wait until they are in a better financial position.

A person who earns $15K/yr still benefits from government services and should some skin in the game too...obviously not as much as a wealthy person, but something.

If a person earns a low income, they need to get an eduction or otherwise develop a marketable skill. There is no excuse for being too lazy to develop a marketable talent.
There are millions of people with marketable skills, and still unemployed. Your whole view of the world that the economy rules everything including private lives is hopelessly unrealistic. And from a certain age on companies just don't want you anymore, regardless of your skills.
Poor people will not stop having kids just because they are poor, to the contrary, just look at Africa. If everyone were guaranteed a basic pension regardless of work history, people might think twice, but when they are scared of the future, they will have more kids who they hope will find jobs somehow and care for them later on.
Your social Darwinist idea that poor people have traits that make them poor and that by postponing having kids - indefinitely - people with those traits will die out, is ridiculous.
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Old 08-21-2011, 06:07 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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I just thought there was some irony in someone saying that a person making $15K shouldn't have kids and also that the person making $15K isn't paying enough taxes.
What's the nexus? It isn't unreasonable to hold both positions.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:24 AM
 
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In the thread about poor people complaining about childcare getting expensive, I asked why it seems that the people who say minimum wage workers shouldn't have kids are the same ones who think minimum wage workers should pay more taxes.

Someone replied that it was off topic and I should take it to a new thread. So here it is. Can anyone explain this conundrum?

Not MORE taxes - SOME taxes.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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In the thread about poor people complaining about childcare getting expensive, I asked why it seems that the people who say minimum wage workers shouldn't have kids are the same ones who think minimum wage workers should pay more taxes.

Someone replied that it was off topic and I should take it to a new thread. So here it is. Can anyone explain this conundrum?
IMO, they should not BE minimum wage workers for extended periods of time.

These jobs are stepping stones.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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In the thread about poor people complaining about childcare getting expensive, I asked why it seems that the people who say minimum wage workers shouldn't have kids are the same ones who think minimum wage workers should pay more taxes.

Someone replied that it was off topic and I should take it to a new thread. So here it is. Can anyone explain this conundrum?

Every able bodied American should pay income taxes.

No American should have kids if they cannot pay for their care.

See? It really is that simple.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:46 AM
 
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Min wage workers pay no taxes. If they have kids they are given a healthy low income credit on their return. So, not only do they not pay taxes but they are

"subsidized"
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Your social Darwinist idea that poor people have traits that make them poor and that by postponing having kids - indefinitely - people with those traits will die out, is ridiculous.

No, it's not ridiculous. Natural selection is alive and well. And yes, as a group, underachievers are poor due in part to genetics.
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