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Old 08-21-2011, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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Everyone should pay taxes whether or not they can afford to pay them?
How can you not afford to pay basic, minimal taxes? If you can't afford to live off your check, then reduce expenses or find another way to bring income in. DON'T bring a kid into this world to further complicate your life and monetary situation.
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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If everyone were guaranteed a basic pension regardless of work history, people might think twice, but when they are scared of the future, they will have more kids who they hope will find jobs somehow and care for them later on.
That is NOT why poor people have kids and you know it.
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Old 08-21-2011, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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take away your right to minimum wage entirely...
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There is no right to a minimum wage. So yes, there should be no minimum wage. Government has no right to tell business what they can and cannot pay workers.
I agree wholeheartedly. There is no right to a min wage. It should be up to the market to determine what wages are paid. It might keep more jobs here. If all your entire job is to push a button on an assembly line, manufacturers can pay what you're worth (and if you don't like it, you don't take the job) and stop sending jobs to China.

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Old 08-21-2011, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Inland Levy County, FL
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And that's why the so-called poor in the USA ARE having many more kids than people who work for a living.

To the poor, more kids mean more food stamps, better and bigger government housing, welfare handouts for more years and much more of everything. The welfare types pay nothing toward the support of their kids but each baby is like hitting the jackpot again.
This is true. I know someone who is pregnant with her second. She already has a son who is like 3 y/o. She posted on FB that she is holding off on getting her apartment until she finds out what the gender is of the second baby. If the baby is a girl, she can get a bigger apartment. Her exact words were "b/c they will give me a bigger apartment."

We also saw the article posted here the other day about the 15 y/o who is pregnant and her mom is happy b/c now they can get a bigger house paid for by the gov't (this was in England, I think).

People have a really screwed up way of thinking, I tell ya.
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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That is NOT why poor people have kids and you know it.
Then you should be supporting abortion and funding clinics to get rid of the unwanted mouths to feed...are you?
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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Then you should be supporting abortion and funding clinics to get rid of the unwanted mouths to feed...are you?
I do.
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Old 08-21-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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I agree wholeheartedly. There is no right to a min wage. It should be up to the market to determine what wages are paid. It might keep more jobs here. If all your entire job is to push a button on an assembly line, manufacturers can pay what you're worth (and if you don't like it, you don't take the job) and stop sending jobs to China.
Then if the market determines the poorest of the poors wages, (usually women) they should get forced to get abortion after 1 child. It would save alot of money. You seem to know alot of them.
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Old 08-21-2011, 02:53 PM
 
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Then you should be supporting abortion and funding clinics to get rid of the unwanted mouths to feed...are you?
Why abortion? Just like it's irresponsible to have children that you would only let starve to death, why conceive children you only will kill?

There are a million birth control products and combinations of them out there, along with abstinence for those who don't want to use them.

There is absolutely nothing wrong waiting to start a family until AFTER you can afford the family. That is just normal common sense.

The stupidest thing to do is to start having kids and having them one right after another when you and your spouse cannot even feed them. That doesn't mean you have to have a 4000 sq ft home and newest car and every kind of luxury but before you have kids, you should have some way to support not only yourself but the kids too.
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Old 08-21-2011, 03:30 PM
 
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There are a million birth control products and combinations of them out there, along with abstinence for those who don't want to use them.
That's correct and it's now covered by insurance. Apparently Republicans aren't happy about that either.
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Old 08-21-2011, 03:44 PM
 
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I agree wholeheartedly. There is no right to a min wage. It should be up to the market to determine what wages are paid. It might keep more jobs here. If all your entire job is to push a button on an assembly line, manufacturers can pay what you're worth (and if you don't like it, you don't take the job) and stop sending jobs to China.

Sorry to ask again, but shouldn't it be up to the market how much house and land I can buy - and not up to government?

You seem to be saying that an employer and an employee should be free to agree to, say, a $3/hr wage, but a developer or landlord and a renter should not be free to agree to a purchase or rental agreement for housing affordable to someone earning $3 per hour. Your inconsistent position on these two issues makes no sense to me.
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